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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 1.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Why? Do many cultures need their babies burnt, schools hit by artillery shells / napalm etc.?

As for integration

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imagine Muslims suggesting this non integration.

Oh dear....I should have known this comment would have attracted a moronic comment.

If every Jew is the Israeli military and responsible for its worst actions is every Muslim Hamas then?

Just a completely absurd and moronic comment.

As for integration...I will say that when I said I'd like more Jews......I'm not particularly fond of ultra conservatives who don't integrate....They don't cause any trouble here but basically we have enough non integration thank you very much.

For the immigration we do have. I think I speak for many of us when I say that we want secular (that just means you believe in the separation of religion and state) people who want to be British and get on and are happy with our laws.

Everybody else....Move to Germany.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

 


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" Stupid is As Stupid does "

Think back: The following events are true historical facts. It has been many years since 1968, but history keeps repeating itself.

1. In 1968, Robert Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male.

2. In 1972, at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred byMuslim males.

3. In 1972, a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach. Shortly after landing, it was blown up by Muslim males.

4. In 1973, a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome with 33 people killed when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.

5. In 1979, the United States Embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.

6. During the 1980s, a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.

7. In 1983, the United States Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.

8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.

9. In 1985, TWA Flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a United States Navy diver who was trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.

10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.

11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed for the first time by Muslim males.

12. In 1998, the United States and British embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.

13. On 09/11/01, four airliners were hijacked. Two of the planes were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers. One plane crashed into the United States Pentagon, and the other plane was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim males.

14. In 2002, the British fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.

15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by you guessed it a Muslim male. (Plus two other British journalists who had just recently been beheaded.)

16. In 2013, the Boston Marathon bombing resulted in four innocent people, including a child, being killed and 264 other people injured by Muslim males.

No, I really do not see a pattern here to justify profiling. Do you?

So, to ensure we British never offend anyone particularly fanatics intent on killing us airport security screeners will no long be allowed to profile certain people.

So, ask yourself: "Just how stupid are we?!?!"

 


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Originally posted by susmik

" Stupid is As Stupid does "

Think back: The following events are true historical facts. It has been many years since 1968, but history keeps repeating itself.

1. In 1968, Robert Kennedy was shot and killed by a Muslim male.

2. In 1972, at the Munich Olympics, Israeli athletes were kidnapped and massacred byMuslim males.

3. In 1972, a Pan Am 747 was hijacked and eventually diverted to Cairo where a fuse was lit on final approach. Shortly after landing, it was blown up by Muslim males.

4. In 1973, a Pan Am 707 was destroyed in Rome with 33 people killed when it was attacked with grenades by Muslim males.

5. In 1979, the United States Embassy in Iran was taken over by Muslim males.

6. During the 1980s, a number of Americans were kidnapped in Lebanon by Muslim males.

7. In 1983, the United States Marine barracks in Beirut was blown up by Muslim males.

8. In 1985, the cruise ship Achille Lauro was hijacked, and a 70-year-old American passenger was murdered and thrown overboard in his wheelchair by Muslim males.

9. In 1985, TWA Flight 847 was hijacked at Athens, and a United States Navy diver who was trying to rescue passengers was murdered by Muslim males.

10. In 1988, Pan Am Flight 103 was bombed by Muslim males.

11. In 1993, the World Trade Center was bombed for the first time by Muslim males.

12. In 1998, the United States and British embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed by Muslim males.

13. On 09/11/01, four airliners were hijacked. Two of the planes were used as missiles to take down the World Trade Centers. One plane crashed into the United States Pentagon, and the other plane was diverted and crashed by the passengers. Thousands of people were killed by Muslim males.

14. In 2002, the British fought a war in Afghanistan against Muslim males.

15. In 2002, reporter Daniel Pearl was kidnapped and beheaded by you guessed it a Muslim male. (Plus two other British journalists who had just recently been beheaded.)

16. In 2013, the Boston Marathon bombing resulted in four innocent people, including a child, being killed and 264 other people injured by Muslim males.

No, I really do not see a pattern here to justify profiling. Do you?

So, to ensure we British never offend anyone particularly fanatics intent on killing us airport security screeners will no long be allowed to profile certain people.

So, ask yourself: "Just how stupid are we?!?!"

All true, of course, but if all countries in the world over the last 45 years started profiling Americans because of any involvement of Christian America in the killing of their own citizens too then there wouldn't be many places in Central and South America, South East Asia, North Africa and The Middle East that they would be allowed to travel to.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jun 17 1.53pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, I'm referring to the Jewish population in the country that's been reducing. They are Jewish as a defining attribute. Why throw atheist in there?....That's only relevant if they don't refer to themselves as Jewish.

As a general rule we need more Jews not less Jews. They are good for secularism and embrace and integrate into the culture and ethos of the country they settle in.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 5.01am)

I tend to think that their religious beliefs aren't relevant to the academic achievements, and that being Jewish might not be so significant, as being non-religious and scientists.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Jun 17 1.55pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Why? Do many cultures need their babies burnt, schools hit by artillery shells / napalm etc.?

As for integration

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imagine Muslims suggesting this non integration.

This a general problem with all separatist religions. It's all self serving nonsense which can only divides societies.
The sooner we rid ourselves of all religion the better. If we must be divided, let's make over something tangible and not an imaginary sky fairy.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This a general problem with all separatist religions. It's all self serving nonsense which can only divides societies.
The sooner we rid ourselves of all religion the better. If we must be divided, let's make over something tangible and not an imaginary sky fairy.

95% agree with this, well said.

The 5% reservation being that having a cornucopia of "sky fairies", a la Hinduism and Shinto, doesn't seem all bad.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 17 2.03pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Oh dear....I should have known this comment would have attracted a moronic comment.

If every Jew is the Israeli military and responsible for its worst actions is every Muslim Hamas then?

Just a completely absurd and moronic comment.

As for integration...I will say that when I said I'd like more Jews......I'm not particularly fond of ultra conservatives who don't integrate....They don't cause any trouble here but basically we have enough non integration thank you very much.

For the immigration we do have. I think I speak for many of us when I say that we want secular (that just means you believe in the separation of religion and state) people who want to be British and get on and are happy with our laws.

Everybody else....Move to Germany.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Jun 2017 1.34pm)

As you have said on many threads you prefer your "own".


But just to say something is moronic because you disagree shows a lack of true understanding and openness to new ideas. You feel that you can disagree with parts of your own culture including the murder of babies that is for your [lack of] conscience, and your mirror with your hatred of all Islam.

You need to hold the mirror up and see everyday Muslims as being equal to Jews.

Unfortunately, if you want to divorce religion from the from the state move to France, "our" Head of State is also the Head of "our" religion, and we do not from a political point of view live in secular state.

I won't call you a moron, I doubt you are that or a cretin but blinkered, naive, Zionist, misogynist, state parasite, who does not understand what most of your fellow ultra-right-wing fellows would want.

If you had been a HOL member for longer, I remember certain posters blaming WW2 on Jewish bankers, for f*** sake.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jun 17 2.04pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The equivalences you are prepared to stand behind. An assault by Christians on people for being gay is against the law in America.

Which Islamic countries do the Ishmali and Sufi sects control?

How many openly gays in America compared to....I don't know...say Egypt? And there are far worse examples of Islamic countries I could choose.

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Fair point, as its none. Theocracy, Islamic or otherwise, is a disaster in progress.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 26 Jun 17 2.05pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This a general problem with all separatist religions. It's all self serving nonsense which can only divides societies.
The sooner we rid ourselves of all religion the better. If we must be divided, let's make over something tangible and not an imaginary sky fairy.

Not often we agree.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 26 Jun 17 2.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I tend to think that their religious beliefs aren't relevant to the academic achievements, and that being Jewish might not be so significant, as being non-religious and scientists.

Perhaps, but I'm not so sure that's for us to say is it.

Sure Jewish isn't exclusive to believing in Judaism just as being an Arab isn't exclusive to Islam. For some it will be and for others not.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jun 17 2.19pm

Originally posted by Portuguese

This topic made me remember Lawrence Krauss words about Christopher Hitchens death:
"Christopher was a beacon of knowledge and light in a world that constantly threatens to extinguish both. He had the courage to accept the world for just what it is and not what he wanted it to be. That's the highest praise, I believe, one can give to any intellect. He understood that the universe doesn't care about our existence or welfare and he epitomized the realization that our lives have meaning only to the extent that we give them meaning."

Even today "truth" means lots of times "power"!.
Maybe trying rational thinking, methodical doubt, sensitivity, kindness and empathy without messianic truths perhaps the majority of barbarism it would tend to vanish...

Rule 101 if it doesn't fit to scientific rationalism and methodology, its not true. If it does, its probably not entirely true.

The objective truth is, as it turns out a by product of western linguistics. Its interesting that Eastern Philosophy doesn't have this problem, as it tends to posit truth as something experienced, rather than something objective.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Jun 17 2.22pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

This a general problem with all separatist religions. It's all self serving nonsense which can only divides societies.
The sooner we rid ourselves of all religion the better. If we must be divided, let's make over something tangible and not an imaginary sky fairy.

This is really a problem inherent in the monotheistic religions from the middle east, i.e. Judaism, Islam and Christianity. You don't tend to see it within paganism, hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Taoism etc.

 


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