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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 4.57pm

Originally posted by Far away fan

As a Christian we are more advanced as we have invented more for the good of the world than our Muslim brothers and sisters, would we be driving around in our cars or making telephone calls .

Not at the same time I hope.

Well done for ignoring Islamic achievements in mathematics and science.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Apr 17 5.14pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not at the same time I hope.

Well done for ignoring Islamic achievements in mathematics and science.

Which was halted by religious dogma.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Apr 17 5.16pm

Originally posted by Far away fan

As a Christian we are more advanced as we have invented more for the good of the world than our Muslim brothers and sisters, would we be driving around in our cars or making telephone calls.

Also I believe Martin Cooper, who invented the mobile phone, is Jewish.

Karl Benz, a German engineer, who is largely regarded as inventing the car was born Catholic, but doesn't seem to have been particularly religious anyhow. He just beat Sigfried Marcus to it, who was Jewish.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 24 Apr 17 5.21pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Far away fan

As a Christian we are more advanced as we have invented more for the good of the world than our Muslim brothers and sisters, would we be driving around in our cars or making telephone calls .

In fact it was the curtailing of Catholicism that has allowed the modern world to evolve in Europe.

Religion centralised power and resisted science. After the reformation the seeds could be sown for the industrial revolution.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Apr 17 11.48am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

In fact it was the curtailing of Catholicism that has allowed the modern world to evolve in Europe.

Religion centralised power and resisted science. After the reformation the seeds could be sown for the industrial revolution.

To an extent - The discovery of one of the key founding principles of Biology (proof of a mechanism of inheritance and genetics was discovered by Friar Gregor Mendel.

Albertus Magnus was probably the most prominent scientist of the medieval period of Europe and was also a Catholic Monk.

There is a huge contribution to science undertaken by members of the Catholic church. The question was probably more about controlling that science than repression of science in general.

So to some extent the whole science vs faith concept is much more of a modern concept, and probably has much more to do with Protestantism and some of the US evangelism, than the Catholic church - which surprisingly has more of a history of contributing to science and education through out the period of the medieval to modern times, than resisting it.

Galileo and Heliocentralism and the inquisition was probably much more about politics within the Church than a rejection of helicentralism - Which wasn't controversial at that time (and had been established by Copernicus)

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 25 Apr 17 12.10pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

To an extent - The discovery of one of the key founding principles of Biology (proof of a mechanism of inheritance and genetics was discovered by Friar Gregor Mendel.

Albertus Magnus was probably the most prominent scientist of the medieval period of Europe and was also a Catholic Monk.

There is a huge contribution to science undertaken by members of the Catholic church. The question was probably more about controlling that science than repression of science in general.

So to some extent the whole science vs faith concept is much more of a modern concept, and probably has much more to do with Protestantism and some of the US evangelism, than the Catholic church - which surprisingly has more of a history of contributing to science and education through out the period of the medieval to modern times, than resisting it.

Galileo and Heliocentralism and the inquisition was probably much more about politics within the Church than a rejection of helicentralism - Which wasn't controversial at that time (and had been established by Copernicus)

Informative.

Certainly there was far less of a divide between religion and science as we understand it since religion was seen as 'truth' and science part of that truth. Control of 'truth' was part of maintaining power.

Clearly the battle between science and religion in the modern era exists under totally different circumstances.

 

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View regal_eagle's Profile regal_eagle Flag somewhere 06 Jun 17 5.47pm Send a Private Message to regal_eagle Add regal_eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Far away fan

As a Christian we are more advanced as we have invented more for the good of the world than our Muslim brothers and sisters, would we be driving around in our cars or making telephone calls .

Well, you're consistent in your ill-informed bigotry, at least.

 

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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 06 Jun 17 5.54pm

It's the socialist fundamentalists that concern me.

 


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Originally posted by regal_eagle

Well, you're consistent in your ill-informed bigotry, at least.

In fairness, you do have to go back a long, long way to identify any innovations for the benefit of mankind that originated in the islamic world. Technological advance has pretty much stood still, along with a lot of their attitudes towards anyone who isn't muslim.

 


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Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In fairness, you do have to go back a long, long way to identify any innovations for the benefit of mankind that originated in the islamic world. Technological advance has pretty much stood still, along with a lot of their attitudes towards anyone who isn't muslim.

I think the Babylonians and Greeks deserve most credit and that is just what we know about.
The Islamic world probably erased more existing knowledge than it invented by destroying the Library of Alexandria.

 

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Is anyone in this thread actually claiming to be a Christian or Muslim (other than me)?

Interested.

What's next, being a Millwall fan v West Ham fan?

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 25 Jun 17 12.32pm

Originally posted by Cucking Funt

In fairness, you do have to go back a long, long way to identify any innovations for the benefit of mankind that originated in the islamic world. Technological advance has pretty much stood still, along with a lot of their attitudes towards anyone who isn't muslim.

Yep, its largely been atheism that's been driving that beast since the enlightenment. Although its worth noting that in the fields of nuclear science, chemical engineering, medicine, neurology, computer science and social science there are a lot of contributions in academia from Muslinm in or from Muslim countries.

 


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