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View Kermit8's Profile Kermit8 Flag Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.40pm Send a Private Message to Kermit8 Add Kermit8 as a friend

Originally posted by NickinOX

Don't lie Kermit.

You said:

"...They deliberately targeted and killed 1,000,000 walking to sanctuary/or walking away from war zone civilians - men, women and children...."

Errm. No they didn't. The link you provided said they murdered several hundred, which I claimed was the case. I even gave you the name of the massacre so that you could wiki it.

You made a claim, and your own evidence showed your claim was false.

Do a bit of research, Nick. It was official US policy to kill civilians. All of them that they came across when engaged. Investigations are ongoing and numerous. I haven't even yet mentioned their complicity in South Korean troops many massacres of thousands of civilians but maybe that is another area that you may find of interest.

I don't understand what you are disputing now? If the 1,000,000 was propaganda then it was propaganda. It doesn't/shouldn't negate the appalling stuff perpetrated by the US which some is now proven to be true as official documents are released.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 19 Apr 17 6.04pm

Originally posted by nickgusset

If I complain about an innocent man being shot by police because they thought it was a gun in a bag but was a table leg, in your vision of the world, I'm an apologist for criminals.
If I complain about how some people equate all Muslims as part of Isis, I'm a terrorist apologist.

The point is that if a criminal shot a policeman because he thought he had a gun in a bag, you wouldn't complain.
If all UKIP party members are described as racists, you wouldn't complain.

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 19 Apr 17 6.09pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

The main and most important point still stands; that the US viciously and wantonly and with official authority positively targeted innocent men, women and children and rained down bloody murder upon them a la Assad. 61 seperate ongoing investigations and how many others, I wonder, are not happening due to no witnesses nor surviviors?

If the 1,000,000 has been irrefutably proven to be incorrect then that is a mercy.

He's an organisation you might be interested in joining.

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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 19 Apr 17 6.28pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

Do a bit of research, Nick. It was official US policy to kill civilians. All of them that they came across when engaged. Investigations are ongoing and numerous. I haven't even yet mentioned their complicity in South Korean troops many massacres of thousands of civilians but maybe that is another area that you may find of interest.

I don't understand what you are disputing now? If the 1,000,000 was propaganda then it was propaganda. It doesn't/shouldn't negate the appalling stuff perpetrated by the US which some is now proven to be true as official documents are released.

Kermit, the number you used was clearly central to your claim. The number was demonstrably false (not that you have done anything to substantiate it). I pointed out there were deliberate killings, but on nowhere near the scale you claimed. You kindly provided evidence to support my point. I think that explains it.

This would be like you claiming that Stalin deliberately targeted and killed 100,000 innocent civilians. We both know he did deliberately target and kill civilians, but we both know he murdered 10s of millions of them. Therefore, the original claim would have been false.

Edited by NickinOX (19 Apr 2017 6.35pm)

 


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Originally posted by hedgehog50

He's an organisation you might be interested in joining.

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Nah but with your Stalinist/Maoist tendency and age I can see a guest appearance in The Real Marigold Hotel Pyongyang Style looming.

You will love it. Unless Biggins is also there. With his same Kim haircut.

 


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Originally posted by NickinOX

Kermit, the number you used was clearly central to your claim. The number was demonstrably false (not that you have done anything to substantiate it). I pointed out there were deliberate killings, but on nowhere near the scale you claimed. You kindly provided evidence to support my point. I think that explains it.

This would be like you claiming that Stalin deliberately targeted and killed 100,000 innocent civilians. We both know he did deliberately target and kill civilians, but we both know he murdered 10s of millions of them. Therefore, the original claim would have been false.

Edited by NickinOX (19 Apr 2017 6.35pm)

I suggest then you didn't read my post in its context as a reply to Jaime's which was specifically about civilian targets. That was my central claim. That the US indulged themselves. Ok the numbers appear to have have been discredited but the 'war criminal' actions have not. In fact, they have been re-enforced through evidence. No lies there.

Concentrating on 'numbers' when it comes to proven mass murder is usually the preserve of those that want to muddy the waters but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt on this and saying that that is not your intention.

 


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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 19 Apr 17 10.02pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by Kermit8

I suggest then you didn't read my post in its context as a reply to Jaime's which was specifically about civilian targets. That was my central claim. That the US indulged themselves. Ok the numbers appear to have have been discredited but the 'war criminal' actions have not. In fact, they have been re-enforced through evidence. No lies there.

Concentrating on 'numbers' when it comes to proven mass murder is usually the preserve of those that want to muddy the waters but I am giving you the benefit of the doubt on this and saying that that is not your intention.

I did read it, and the centrality of your claim regarding 1,000,000 civilians was plain as day. There is only one person here playing with numbers, and it wasn't me.

So trying to establish the truth and pointing out blatant lies is now 'denying'. Hmm.

The reason I called you out on it, is that your faking the scale of war crimes only serves to undermine establishing the truth of such things. That is a problem, it is something David Irving does, unfortunately, rather effectively. He picks a small truth, then expounds on it to make a bigger point, just as you did. It's still lies.


Edited by NickinOX (19 Apr 2017 10.06pm)

 


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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Apr 17 11.22pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Nick has you by your (English) Balls Kerms. Submit.

 


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They are very different in content and theology, whilst sharing some common roots.

Where they converge is in Monothesism (the belief that there is only one God), and their common roots in Abraham hence the use of the terms "Abrahamic" religions. (Muslims believe that the corpse of Abraham is buried within the Black structure at Mecca)

Where they diverge is in the fundamental tenents of their main characters and theology.

Christianity says that we are saved by Grace, not works. In laymans terms Jesus has paid the price, and accepting him as Lord and saviour will establish right footing and relationship with God. No amount of praying or good deeds can do that, only acceptance of Jesus.

Islam is much more prescriptive and works orientated, ie pray 5 times a day, do this do that, a check list if you will, and then you might get in.

It might be argued that the regimented manner of Islam is in fact the very thing that makes it so attractive to angry men with no structure or purpose.

In addition there is of course the teachings of the 2 central characters.

Jesus' teachings can be summarised as Love God and love People, without reservation or condition.

Mohammed's were much more complicated and dare I say conditional.

As a Christian I would point out though that the likes of ISIS are no more representative of the Muslims I know than the KKK is of me.

Edited by reborn (24 Apr 2017 1.53pm)

 


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Originally posted by reborn

They are very different in content and theology, whilst sharing some common roots.

Where they converge is in Monothesism (the belief that there is only one God), and their common roots in Abraham hence the use of the terms "Abrahamic" religions. (Muslims believe that the corpse of Abraham is buried within the Black structure at Mecca)

Where they diverge is in the fundamental tenents of their main characters and theology.

Christianity says that we are saved by Grace, not works. In laymans terms Jesus has paid the price, and accepting him as Lord and saviour will establish right footing and relationship with God. No amount of praying or good deeds can do that, only acceptance of Jesus.

Islam is much more prescriptive and works orientated, ie pray 5 times a day, do this do that, a check list if you will, and then you might get in.

It might be argued that the regimented manner of Islam is in fact the very thing that makes it so attractive to angry men with no structure or purpose.

In addition there is of course the teachings of the 2 central characters.

Jesus' teachings can be summarised as Love God and love People, without reservation or condition.

Mohammed's were much more complicated and dare I say conditional.

As a Christian I would point out though that the likes of ISIS are no more representative of the Muslims I know than the KKK is of me.

Edited by reborn (24 Apr 2017 1.53pm)

Yeah. Personally I lift weights and do a bit of cardio. It's just as tough on the knees TBF.

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 24 Apr 17 4.37pm

Originally posted by reborn

They are very different in content and theology, whilst sharing some common roots.

Where they converge is in Monothesism (the belief that there is only one God), and their common roots in Abraham hence the use of the terms "Abrahamic" religions. (Muslims believe that the corpse of Abraham is buried within the Black structure at Mecca)

Where they diverge is in the fundamental tenents of their main characters and theology.

Christianity says that we are saved by Grace, not works. In laymans terms Jesus has paid the price, and accepting him as Lord and saviour will establish right footing and relationship with God. No amount of praying or good deeds can do that, only acceptance of Jesus.

Islam is much more prescriptive and works orientated, ie pray 5 times a day, do this do that, a check list if you will, and then you might get in.

It might be argued that the regimented manner of Islam is in fact the very thing that makes it so attractive to angry men with no structure or purpose.

In addition there is of course the teachings of the 2 central characters.

Jesus' teachings can be summarised as Love God and love People, without reservation or condition.

Mohammed's were much more complicated and dare I say conditional.

As a Christian I would point out though that the likes of ISIS are no more representative of the Muslims I know than the KKK is of me.

Edited by reborn (24 Apr 2017 1.53pm)

I think this is true of fundamentalism in general Islamic or otherwise (see US Christian Militias) as well as Fascism, Neo-Nazism and Communism (in its day). Angry young men, without a purpose or much in the way of prospects do tend to be drawn towards violent 'truth denying' based causes. I think it gives them a sense of worth, identity and belonging, plus an outlet for that frustration and existential anxiety. Plus its much easier than doing some thing constructive to solve your problems, blaming everyone else.

Much like a gang does.

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As a Christian we are more advanced as we have invented more for the good of the world than our Muslim brothers and sisters, would we be driving around in our cars or making telephone calls .

 

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