UKIP would ban the burka
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 Part Time James  24 Apr 17 11.21am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I totally disagree. The things you list are not comparable. Exactly. Since when has wearing a crucifix been a security risk?! I'm not sure that UKIP are asking for a ban on burkas because they are offended by specific religious garb.
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Apr 17 11.26am |
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Some interesting points raised :
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.27am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Exactly. Since when has wearing a crucifix been a security risk?! I'm not sure that UKIP are asking for a ban on burkas because they are offended by specific religious garb. Hmm I suspect that it might have something to do with specific religious garb as the quote specifically mentions only two examples, both Muslim.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.32am |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
we either ban everything....or we allow everything. Its one or the other. You cannot pick and choose.
But I also believe that other people should have the right to redress. For example, if someone turns up to a Jewish synagogue wearing a Swastika T-Shirt they shouldn't be surprised to be turned away (or arrested for disturbing the police). Neither should someone who is wearing a Burka be automatically accepted at say passport control without having their identity confirmed by a female immigrations officer. Similarly a bank could refuse customer service to people wearing a Burka if they aren't a client and don't make an appointment (at which point they could arrange for a female employee and an officer to discuss business etc).
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by Far away fan
Hrolf I feel pity and sorrow for some of these posters, London is Ghetto in many more parts than it was in the 70s That would be a ghetto that people actually can't afford to live in, even with reasonably paid jobs. I'd struggle to be able to qualify for a mortgage in most of these 'ghettos'.
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| Part Time James 24 Apr 17 11.36am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Hmm I suspect that it might have something to do with specific religious garb as the quote specifically mentions only two examples, both Muslim. Ok fair enough. And I have remembered that some people would actually be offended by crucifixes. Vampires. I thought it was to do with integrating into society as well as security. Not sure what society is any more anyway. Atheist probably, as an average. Which actually validates the suggestion about all religious attire. We could also do with asking some English kids to learn English as well. Starting with "your" vs "you're".
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.41am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
3 million will soon be 6 million. I think you underestimate how quickly populations can grow, especially when tens of thousands more are arriving every year. It looks like it tailed off somewhat though, as for the most part the percentage rise in Muslims in the UK has been falling (although it did rise between 2001 and 2011). Thanks Wikipedia (the same details can also be found at [Link]
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.46am |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
More like UKIP with bang any drum to get popular votes at anyone's expense.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 24 Apr 17 11.50am |
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We should ban the burqa because it's hard to communicate with someone if you can't see their face is among the comments I've seen.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Part Time James
Ok fair enough. And I have remembered that some people would actually be offended by crucifixes. Vampires. I thought it was to do with integrating into society as well as security. Not sure what society is any more anyway. Atheist probably, as an average. Which actually validates the suggestion about all religious attire. We could also do with asking some English kids to learn English as well. Starting with "your" vs "you're". Is anyone really offended by the Burkha or Naqib, and if so why has it taken them until now. There has been a very significant Muslim population in the UK since the 70s / 80s. Its all just the whole 'acceptable Muslim hate bandwagon' that people are jumping on and creating self justifications like security (based on one single incident, in the UK, which failed to actually be an issue). because no one likes to admit that they're a bit angry about their inability to do anything about terrorism other than to blame muslims, and their general unwillingness to admit that they're probably wrong or a bit prejudiced. Virtually no one gave a s**t in the 90s. Hell most people didn't give a s**t about Muslims in the late 80s and 90s, when they were being systematically raped and murdered in the former Yugoslavia.
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| Part Time James 24 Apr 17 11.59am |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
We should ban the burqa because it's hard to communicate with someone if you can't see their face is among the comments I've seen. By touch. At least that's what I tell the girls in my office when I've not got my glasses on. Edited by Part Time James (24 Apr 2017 11.59am)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 24 Apr 17 12.00pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
We should ban the burqa because it's hard to communicate with someone if you can't see their face is among the comments I've seen. In fairness most of those wanting to 'communicate' only want to shout their demands that a woman obey their beliefs of what a woman should wear, rather than some other mans beliefs about what a woman should wear. Its definitely a feminism issue mind, and its surprising to see how many feminists their are in UKIP.
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