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View kenbarr's Profile kenbarr Flag Jackson Heights, Queens, New York ... 14 Jun 17 9.26pm Send a Private Message to kenbarr Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add kenbarr as a friend

According to an interview I watched on BBC World News, a writer for a building trade publication said the council inspected the building while the refurbishments were going on but not after they were completed. He also said that "fire stopping" material had to removed between floors for the work to be done and was supposed to be replaced upon completion.

 


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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 9.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You do realise that the Wilson government was responsible for some of the worst high rises ever built?

And Thatcher then sold them to people.

 


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ZIGnZAG Flag Stoke 14 Jun 17 9.48pm

It's was obvious from the first pictures of the tower, that the cladding was helping/causing the fire to spread, rapidly.
Old, ugly, tower blocks like these, all over the country, have had the same quick/cheap fix, of new external cladding to make them less of an eye sore.
Many new builds too, use different types of cladding. What the/if any standards these materials should meet is surely now a massive question.
The single staircase in the building would have become more like a chimney, than an escape route. I doubt anyone would be able to put there face over the top of a normal house chimney, for more than a few seconds. Now imaging what the chimney from a fire that's the size of a 27 storey building would be like. That was the residents only escape route.
Lessons will hopefully be learnt. New laws will probably be passed. But unfortunately money always comes first, and nobody is going to fund the cost of putting so many potential death traps right. That is the sad truth.
It's fcuking horrendous to think what it must have been like for the people trapped in there.
Hopefully most of the dead will have been asleep and overcome by fumes. As anything else just doesn't bare thinking about.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 14 Jun 17 9.51pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think organised crime when I see things like this. People who use corruption and low bids to win contracts, use questionable materials to maximise profit margins, cut safety, circumvent regulations, pay off inspectors etc.

No amount of politics can really stop that.

I think it is far simpler, nobody thought it would happen. An internal fire spreading via the cladding to the rest of the block. At least it was concrete core as I have stated elsewhere, cladding over an external core and .......we don't want to contemplate.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 14 Jun 17 10.04pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by europalace

Whos's slagging off the country? I've been specifically discussing the disaster in West London. You might try and inflate someone elses's opinion to suit your own agenda but I've exposed that so it won't work with me.

Most on here already know your anti-EU , anti-Europe and general anti-foreigner stance, so no need to emphasise that anymore.

Edited by europalace (14 Jun 2017 9.27pm)

Anti-foreigner? Na plonker, I'm just anti people like you.

I've taught and helped more foreigners than I could count. You talk out of your butt so much your lips down there must hurt.

 


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View Cucking Funt's Profile Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 14 Jun 17 10.04pm Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

As soon as profit is involved along the line, morality goes out of the window somewhat.

Let's wait and&#8203; find out the actual cause, eh?

 


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Usual suspects being complete w***ers on this thread,just take a second look before posting....tossers.

 


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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 14 Jun 17 10.36pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

And Thatcher then sold them to people.

Very few high rises, if any, were built under Thatcher.

Many people were basically forced to move into tower blocks under protest so that so called slum clearance could occur under Wilson

 

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Originally posted by nickgusset

As soon as profit is involved along the line, morality goes out of the window somewhat.

You do know it has been reported that they are council homes rented out by a non-profit?

 


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Originally posted by europalace

Whos's slagging off the country? I've been specifically discussing the disaster in West London. You might try and inflate someone elses's opinion to suit your own agenda but I've exposed that so it won't work with me.

Most on here already know your anti-EU , anti-Europe and general anti-foreigner stance, so no need to emphasise that anymore.

Edited by europalace (14 Jun 2017 9.27pm)

to be fair to stirlingsays, you are jumping the gun a bit, and your history on the site suggests a political motivation behind doing so. this is from a purely objective viewpoint

 


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View NickinOX's Profile NickinOX Flag Sailing country. 14 Jun 17 11.24pm Send a Private Message to NickinOX Add NickinOX as a friend

Originally posted by europalace


Cheap shot, so you found 3 much smaller events within the whole of Europe? Yep, call people trolls when you lose the debate, classic way to admit you're wrong.

How was that a cheap shot based upon your comments, which in essence said this doesn't happen elsewhere. It does. And who was debating? I was pointing out your crass bigotry.

If you think hundreds of people being killed and injured are "smaller events" that speaks volumes.

Edited by NickinOX (14 Jun 2017 11.41pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Jun 17 11.25pm

Originally posted by NickinOX

You do know it has been reported that they are council homes rented out by a non-profit?


And the buyers who supplied the contractors with flammable cladding?


The more I hear about this, everyone on newsnight was damning about the safety compromises and failure of someone to act on a cross party groups recommendations, the more I think it's a national disgrace.

I'm more angry about this than the recent terrorist attacks because by all accounts , had advice been acted upon, it was preventable.

 

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