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 Hrolf The Ganger  22 Jun 17 11.43am |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
What has changed are the rites of passage and achievable aspirations for those who don't come from money. Society was more at ease with itself back then and you are right it wasn't easy but the fact remains if anyone wanted to leave school at 17 or 18 in London and wanted to work hard they could have owned their own place by age 22 without any help from the olds or rented without the cost taking up a huge chunk of wages. That in turn gave independence. From what I have been reading it is not uncommon for kids to still be living with their parents beyond 25 and even into their thirties now which is just unhealthy. I'd like to see some figures, if they exist, on say the last 150 years, to see what is real and what is anecdote.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 11.47am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Agreed. In the 21st century our society should be far more Epicurean and less Dickensian. That is not to say it is not better than before but that it should be better still. Vote Corbyn then
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Kermit8  Hevon 22 Jun 17 11.53am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'd like to see some figures, if they exist, on say the last 150 years, to see what is real and what is anecdote. The old sensible financial mantra was roughly a third of wages on rent/mortgage, a third on food and other bills, and a third for spending/saving which was pretty much doable. You'd have to be taking home £4,000 a month these days just for an average job in London to keep that balance and even then your mortgage allowance would only be around £200k. Not much left in The Smoke at that price. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2017 11.53am) Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2017 12.34pm)
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 11.58am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I'd like to see some figures, if they exist, on say the last 150 years, to see what is real and what is anecdote. Most up to date I could find was in the mail. [Link]
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| npn Crowborough 22 Jun 17 12.04pm |
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is a great ideal but it can never happen all the time humans are humans. Elitism is an inevitable consequence of evolution. Grand statement of the day. I agree.....and it's an inevitable part of human nature...it's natural. However if society doesn't look to limit elitism it doesn't end well. Unchecked it leads to either repression or revolution.
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| simonmdt x 22 Jun 17 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The old sensible financial mantra was roughly a third of wages on rent/mortgage, a third on food and other bills, and a third for spending which was pretty much doable. You'd have to be taking home £4,000 a month these days just for an average job in London to keep that balance and even then your mortgage allowance would only be around £200k. Not much left in The Smoke at that price. Edited by Kermit8 (22 Jun 2017 11.53am) Adding to this and challenging some of the comments on here who sneer at the 'yoof' of today. I bought my first flat back in the late 80s at 19 with 100% mortgage. It cost 27k and my salary was around 5k, so roughly x5 my income (the recommendation was no more than x3 - but credit was cheap and borrowing was encouraged). I put my life on hold and took a second job to afford it. Today that flat is valued around 275k, even if a 19 year old could find a 100% mortgage and blag x5 his salary he would have to be earning 55k. We - the Babyboomers - created and benefited from a situation that has left a generation with little chance of home ownership. And it's nothing to do with a lack of work ethic or a grandiose sense of entitlement. My son, will only be able to live in LDN because I'm fortunate enough to be able to help him. That is not a option for many and a ridiculous situation for society to be in.
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| Part Time James 22 Jun 17 12.16pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Most up to date I could find was in the mail. [Link] When I picture you reading the Mail it's reminiscent in my head of the scene in the Omen when they drive Damien Thorn up to a church. That's not me Nick bashing by the way!
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| Hrolf The Ganger 22 Jun 17 12.17pm |
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Originally posted by nickgusset
Vote Corbyn then Sums up your absurd quasi religious belief in the abilities and motives of a third rate civil servant.
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| Stirlingsays 22 Jun 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Pretty much. I don't believe in the possibility of a meritocracy, but I think we can get 'close enough'. I believe that existence should provide opportunities throughout life for experience and self improvement, and not just financially, but experientially. Its important that opportunity also includes 'joy'. Existence without pleasure and joy, is meaningless - To paraphrase Emma Goldman, 'If I can't dance, its not my revolution'. I agree. All utopian concepts are never achievable. It's just like shagging Rachel Riley....not really realistic but something everyone should be aiming towards.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 22 Jun 17 12.19pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Sums up your absurd quasi religious belief in the abilities and motives of a third rate civil servant. Nigel Farage?
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| simonmdt x 22 Jun 17 12.20pm |
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