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View Vim Fuego's Profile Vim Fuego Flag Haywards Heath 02 Jul 17 11.26pm Send a Private Message to Vim Fuego Add Vim Fuego as a friend

I believe Skynet have everything sorted and are about to go live with some sort of revolutionary update. What could possible go wrong?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jul 17 4.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Perhaps.....But it could be that capitalism ends up eating itself by indirectly obsoleting itself.

It's not a bad thing if its replacement improves more lives. Capitalism is only worth keeping if it's the best system we have.

If automation improves things for the the west then great....but the potential effects are worrying elsewhere.

Fingers crossed. I always thought if you were going to have communism, it could really only be an effective replacement for a capitalist system that had effectively exhausted itself (i.e. you ended up with a society comprising of people who actually wanted socialism, rather than having it forced upon them at murder point).

Also, you'd probably need technology like nanotech that could create a post-scarcity society.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jul 17 4.53pm

Originally posted by Vim Fuego

I believe Skynet have everything sorted and are about to go live with some sort of revolutionary update. What could possible go wrong?

I always wondered what purpose the machines would have to their existence, if they exterminated humanity. It seems awfully human intelligence, rather than artificial intelligence.

As a rule, other sentient creatures don't seem to have the same kind of viciousness seen in humans. I think its a chimp thing, and that Artifical Intelligence will end up basically being remarkably helpful and friendly, right up until some shaved chimps start using it to wipe out other shaved chimps.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 22 2.54am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

I doubt the machines are putting the burgers together yet, so that's all front end.....Still for better or worse, automation is coming.

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Online Flag 22 Dec 22 7.58am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

To site a poor country example - Ethiopia as a country is relatively new to having its own container terminal(s) being land locked & previously all its containers were customs cleared in Djibouti (so Djibouti got all the box handling & government import tax revenue) in around 2014 Ethiopia & Djib came to an agreement that Djib would allow all Ethiopia bound containers to pass unhindered into Ethiopian inland dry port container terminals (this was indeed historic for Ethiopia) I was in one of the dry terminal's in Mojo with my boss (about 2 hours drive from Addis Ababa) we went into the invoicing department, there were about 50 locals working on invoicing, my boss remarked that for about $1000 they could buy a computer programme that meant that the same job could have been done by 3 people, the supervisor said, we know , in fact a software company offered us this program for free, they turned it down because the thought of 50 local families having a breadwinner was more beneficial for Ethiopia than the money they would save using the software -

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I think the problem has always been, what do the 'rest of us do'. Automation in theory should be used to produce a more leisured life, but in reality its been used to generate great profits for a few, and wage 'slavery' and benefit dependency for the rest.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Dec 22 8.20am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I doubt the machines are putting the burgers together yet, so that's all front end.....Still for better or worse, automation is coming.

It doesn't have to be expensive AI or robots. I have noticed low level changes in the hospitality sector. I visit an Italian run cafe very popular you queue up at the till make your order and they give you a flag (In some places it is a device that buzzes when your meal is ready to collect).

I went into a Pizza Hut in Edinburgh you order at your table by phone they just cook and deliver.

There will always be places to go to enjoy the dining experience but more and more budget places are looking at cutting down on waiting staff.

And then there is the restaurant kitchen, pre cooked or prepared food delivered by companies like Brakes Bros. Nothing new in this but more and more used across the sector.

Post Office
Will sack thousands of staff over the next few years, who needs the royal mail.

Railways
The strike is more about staffing than money. Automation and changes in working practices will reduce the number of staff this is what they are really fighting about.

Farming
More and more automation will change how many casual workers they need.

Banks and Financial Sector
Local branches closing every week to be replaced by either glorified cash points machines (Lloyds bank Beckenham) or a banking hub serving multiple companies.

AI is reducing the number of staff in the Financial Sector in jobs previously though safe.

I am not saying this is all good just this is the reality that some of us have been predicting pre Brexit and pre COVID.

We do not need millions of unskilled migrants.

Edited by Badger11 (22 Dec 2022 8.21am)

 


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View Dubai Eagle's Profile Dubai Eagle Online Flag 22 Dec 22 8.24am Send a Private Message to Dubai Eagle Add Dubai Eagle as a friend

In the UK the rise of automation will ultimately see the phasing out of sections of rail workers, signallers, certain station based jobs (like ticket office) & drivers - sensors, cameras & software are all pretty much available which is why I say those striking are hastening their replacement dates -

Teachers - during lockdown my kids had classes online, by & large it worked ( OK my kids are 17 & 19 now so in the older age bracket to still be called kids, the older one was finishing her A Levels during lockdown) but the option remains that for older kids lessons could be online, they could even be pre - recorded by a central office & supplied with an FAQ list with an ability to chatbot other questions etc, what I am saying is we are not far away now from a strategy that will see the need for kids to go to a central class less & less over the years - Obviously one of the drawbacks is that kids will miss that social interaction only achieved by being in a class full with their group, but for example, if it starts with say A Level kids, then last years of GCSE etc etc slowly working its way down the educational levels & again teachers striking will ultimately drive technology to replace them -

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 22 Dec 22 9.13am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Driverless trains are the way to go, asap please.

There is no safety issue.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Dec 22 9.23am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Driverless trains are the way to go, asap please.

There is no safety issue.

Yup not just the drivers. In London we use contactless to pay our fares the rest of the country has yet to catch up.

The way I look at this stuff is if people want us to spend billions on the railwayss and I am in favour of this the least the taxpayer can expect in return is a modern system with modern working practices.

 


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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 22 Dec 22 9.54am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

I have seen a lot of work on the safety of driverless trains, particularly on Asian systems, it's a no brainer.

 


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View dreamwaverider's Profile dreamwaverider Flag London 22 Dec 22 11.09am Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Get rid of bloody people. Nowt stranger than folk.

 

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View Harborough Eagle's Profile Harborough Eagle Flag Market Harborough, Leicestershire 22 Dec 22 1.24pm Send a Private Message to Harborough Eagle Add Harborough Eagle as a friend

Rubbish.....most of the country uses contactless for transport now !

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup not just the drivers. In London we use contactless to pay our fares the rest of the country has yet to catch up.

The way I look at this stuff is if people want us to spend billions on the railwayss and I am in favour of this the least the taxpayer can expect in return is a modern system with modern working practices.

 


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