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View footythoughts's Profile footythoughts Flag Beckenham 22 Dec 22 2.51pm Send a Private Message to footythoughts Add footythoughts as a friend

Originally posted by Harborough Eagle

Rubbish.....most of the country uses contactless for transport now !


For trains outside of London surely in most of the country you have to have a ticket for travel, not scan in and out where you like?

Edited by footythoughts (22 Dec 2022 3.47pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 22 Dec 22 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Harborough Eagle

Rubbish.....most of the country uses contactless for transport now !


I stand corrected then.

I am referring to tap and go at rail stations such as we use in London. I thought that outside of London very few rail services have it.

 


One more point

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Originally posted by Badger11

I stand corrected then.

I am referring to tap and go at rail stations such as we use in London. I thought that outside of London very few rail services have it.

I assumed it was reference to tapping in and out too.

Regardless the easier and more joined up we can make things nationalwide the better. We'll get there... by 2097

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 23 Dec 22 4.56pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

Algorithms. They are going to end up deciding everything. How much shopping you need, what you can spend, are you credit worthy ? and ultimately, eventually, court sentencing decisions.

The only trouble is, a human has to design the algorithm, so they are never perfect at decisions. They'll fk something up in a big way eventually.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 23 Dec 22 6.53pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

the existence of 'hand car washes' is proof that Automation can also travel backwards.

 


Upsetting Manchester time and again

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Dec 22 7.37pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

I can’t even sleep without autocorrect so I’m grapefruit for it!

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Online Flag The garden of England 23 Dec 22 7.47pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

I can’t even sleep without autocorrect so I’m grapefruit for it!

Haaaa that’s a goof one

 

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View The groover's Profile The groover Online Flag Danbury 23 Dec 22 9.35pm Send a Private Message to The groover Add The groover as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

...steel mills that can produce 500k tons a year with 14 employees...machines that can diagnose cancer better than top doctors...machines that really can learn stuff.

Huge -- to the order of at least hundreds of millions of people -- swathes of humanity are about to be made redundant. And at many levels of work.

Then what? What is a good direction to send your kids in to have a prosperous working life??

I'm very interested in the topic, how people believe it will shape our futures, and what, if anything, the legislative response should/will be.


Engineer able to work on Electronic, Mechanical and computer systems (hardware and software). I was in X-ray installation, maintenance and repair for the last 14 years. Before that Pre-press imagesetters (Film), plate setters (imaging direct to plate) and before that main frame computers and my first role, Weapons systems.

Each time it seemed like a door was closing another would open. I was constantly told that remote diagnosis would take over my role. 45 years later I've just retired and was still out there plying my trade.

My favourite recent revelation was the remote software upgrade. It would download via the internet and a message would pop up to the user saying patch blah blah is ready to install. It will take 90 minutes. Click here to install or here to defer. DO NOT POWER OFF DURING THE INSTALL. They could only defer 3 times. Then it installed. Unfortunately, it being medical equipment the user thought s***, we can't delay the patient list for 90 minutes. I know I'll turn it off!!!

Queue a 2 day software re-install. Happened repeatedly. I suggested they restrict the downloaded updates to a max of 30 minutes. Anything else is an engineer visit.

Between 1 and 17 December (prior to my last day) I did 79hrs overtime!!!! Including two weekends.

The same thing has happened throughout history. As one industry ends another springs up.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 23 Dec 22 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

Engineer able to work on Electronic, Mechanical and computer systems (hardware and software). I was in X-ray installation, maintenance and repair for the last 14 years. Before that Pre-press imagesetters (Film), plate setters (imaging direct to plate) and before that main frame computers and my first role, Weapons systems.

Each time it seemed like a door was closing another would open. I was constantly told that remote diagnosis would take over my role. 45 years later I've just retired and was still out there plying my trade.

My favourite recent revelation was the remote software upgrade. It would download via the internet and a message would pop up to the user saying patch blah blah is ready to install. It will take 90 minutes. Click here to install or here to defer. DO NOT POWER OFF DURING THE INSTALL. They could only defer 3 times. Then it installed. Unfortunately, it being medical equipment the user thought s***, we can't delay the patient list for 90 minutes. I know I'll turn it off!!!

Queue a 2 day software re-install. Happened repeatedly. I suggested they restrict the downloaded updates to a max of 30 minutes. Anything else is an engineer visit.

Between 1 and 17 December (prior to my last day) I did 79hrs overtime!!!! Including two weekends.

The same thing has happened throughout history. As one industry ends another springs up.

Nice post Groover, good context and insight however that’s coming from me which is no barometer!

Unfortunately, automation falls within the domain of my professional conversations quite often so despite my expertise or knowledge not really aligning to allow me sufficient understanding, I have to be ‘aware’.

I was once told from somebody I considered to be a reliable source for such commentary (again, not reliable in itself given I’m now the source), that even in the event of complete automation, whilst revolutionary, people would still need people to manage the hardware and software of any aforementioned systems and therefore whilst ‘old jobs’ may become redundant, ‘new jobs’ would equally come into existence. I found that somewhat alleviating of concerns but also have yet to find much fault with this, albeit simplistic, theory.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Originally posted by The groover

Engineer able to work on Electronic, Mechanical and computer systems (hardware and software). I was in X-ray installation, maintenance and repair for the last 14 years. Before that Pre-press imagesetters (Film), plate setters (imaging direct to plate) and before that main frame computers and my first role, Weapons systems.

Each time it seemed like a door was closing another would open. I was constantly told that remote diagnosis would take over my role. 45 years later I've just retired and was still out there plying my trade.

My favourite recent revelation was the remote software upgrade. It would download via the internet and a message would pop up to the user saying patch blah blah is ready to install. It will take 90 minutes. Click here to install or here to defer. DO NOT POWER OFF DURING THE INSTALL. They could only defer 3 times. Then it installed. Unfortunately, it being medical equipment the user thought s***, we can't delay the patient list for 90 minutes. I know I'll turn it off!!!

Queue a 2 day software re-install. Happened repeatedly. I suggested they restrict the downloaded updates to a max of 30 minutes. Anything else is an engineer visit.

Between 1 and 17 December (prior to my last day) I did 79hrs overtime!!!! Including two weekends.

The same thing has happened throughout history. As one industry ends another springs up.

This is true to an extent.

However, there are plenty of examples where it hasn't resulted in the same level of employment at the same wages as well.
From as far back as the industrial revolution to Wilson/Thatcher closing down the pits...A lot of damage is caused by these upheavals.....For example, It's just not reality that all 40 something miners can easily retrain for another job that'll pay well enough or 'learn to code' for example. Many people never recovered from those transitions.

What you are referring to only works if industries are growing and expanding and can service those jobs within the human capital resources that are around.

When you look at the IQ graphs you will see that we have the same number of people within society with an IQ of 85 (which makes them barely employable) as there are with IQs of 130. No one seems to really want to focus upon the unsexy realities of how a first world civilisation actually copes with its problems.

A first world civilisation has to be adapted to all of its people, automation is already having an impact and that impact won't just be on unskilled jobs.

Essentially, the future seems to require less people and nothing we get from our leaders appears to be joined up thinking....careerists and 'here today, gone tomorrow' opportunists.


Edited by Stirlingsays (24 Dec 2022 3.09am)

 


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View footythoughts's Profile footythoughts Flag Beckenham 24 Dec 22 2.40am Send a Private Message to footythoughts Add footythoughts as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Nice post Groover, good context and insight however that’s coming from me which is no barometer!

Unfortunately, automation falls within the domain of my professional conversations quite often so despite my expertise or knowledge not really aligning to allow me sufficient understanding, I have to be ‘aware’.

I was once told from somebody I considered to be a reliable source for such commentary (again, not reliable in itself given I’m now the source), that even in the event of complete automation, whilst revolutionary, people would still need people to manage the hardware and software of any aforementioned systems and therefore whilst ‘old jobs’ may become redundant, ‘new jobs’ would equally come into existence. I found that somewhat alleviating of concerns but also have yet to find much fault with this, albeit simplistic, theory.

I do get concerned about a society that doesn't need many of those contributing at a basic / entry level. Ultimately society still has to support these people, so shuffling them out of the workplace both solves and creates a problem. There seems to be an endgame where most of us are pure 'consumers'. It might be inevitable but it's also a bit Black Mirror.


Edited by footythoughts (24 Dec 2022 2.41am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 24 Dec 22 7.46am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by The groover

Engineer able to work on Electronic, Mechanical and computer systems (hardware and software). I was in X-ray installation, maintenance and repair for the last 14 years. Before that Pre-press imagesetters (Film), plate setters (imaging direct to plate) and before that main frame computers and my first role, Weapons systems.

Each time it seemed like a door was closing another would open. I was constantly told that remote diagnosis would take over my role. 45 years later I've just retired and was still out there plying my trade.

My favourite recent revelation was the remote software upgrade. It would download via the internet and a message would pop up to the user saying patch blah blah is ready to install. It will take 90 minutes. Click here to install or here to defer. DO NOT POWER OFF DURING THE INSTALL. They could only defer 3 times. Then it installed. Unfortunately, it being medical equipment the user thought s***, we can't delay the patient list for 90 minutes. I know I'll turn it off!!!

Queue a 2 day software re-install. Happened repeatedly. I suggested they restrict the downloaded updates to a max of 30 minutes. Anything else is an engineer visit.

Between 1 and 17 December (prior to my last day) I did 79hrs overtime!!!! Including two weekends.

The same thing has happened throughout history. As one industry ends another springs up.



I think the concern is that these replacement jobs would also be automated.

 


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