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Hrolf The Ganger 13 Jul 17 5.12pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Did he? What a c**t. And some people doubt that the CIA/FBI killed him by proxy, just like Bobby Kennedy.
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13 Jul 17 5.12pm

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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Did he? What a c**t.

And some people doubt that the CIA/FBI killed him by proxy, just like Bobby Kennedy.

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Kermit8 Hevon 13 Jul 17 6.17pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays I've got my head in the sand??? Errr...yes Irish Republicanism was a factor here....For a start travel between Ireland and the UK wasn't an issue at all plus we would even have collection for the IRA in in Irish pubs in London in the past . Is there anything else you can get wrong Kermit? An area of agreement is that Wahhabism is a problem for all of us. The 9/11 attack came from individuals outside of the US but there's no complacency, there are of course plenty of individuals of concern on watch lists all around the west. To focus....like you do, solely on Wahhabism as the problem that we need to solve is a complete misunderstanding of the actual problem. It's social conservatism and western rejectionism...In extremist terms it's a small minority but still enough to have tens of thousands of people we have to worry about in this country....The problem is far wider than just one doctrine. That problem will increase as the Islamic population increases as a percentage of the UK and you Kermit....You haven't just got your head in the sand....It's in the desert. Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2017 3.30pm) We will never agree on whom to target. And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 13 Jul 17 6.17pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I've got my head in the sand???

Errr...yes Irish Republicanism was a factor here....For a start travel between Ireland and the UK wasn't an issue at all plus we would even have collection for the IRA in in Irish pubs in London in the past
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Is there anything else you can get wrong Kermit?

An area of agreement is that Wahhabism is a problem for all of us. The 9/11 attack came from individuals outside of the US but there's no complacency, there are of course plenty of individuals of concern on watch lists all around the west.

To focus....like you do, solely on Wahhabism as the problem that we need to solve is a complete misunderstanding of the actual problem.

It's social conservatism and western rejectionism...In extremist terms it's a small minority but still enough to have tens of thousands of people we have to worry about in this country....The problem is far wider than just one doctrine.

That problem will increase as the Islamic population increases as a percentage of the UK and you Kermit....You haven't just got your head in the sand....It's in the desert.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jul 2017 3.30pm)

We will never agree on whom to target.

And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil?

Big chest and massive boobs

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dannyboy1978 14 Jul 17 6.09am
Basically the long and short of it is that the government knows that the rest of Britain are loosing their patient's with Muslims. The government are trying to keep the peace by hiding facts from the public. When a quarter of Muslims sympathise with the charley hebdow attackers it doesn't take rocket science to see we have a problem. [Link]
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14 Jul 17 6.09am

Basically the long and short of it is that the government knows that the rest of Britain are loosing their patient's with Muslims. The government are trying to keep the peace by hiding facts from the public.

When a quarter of Muslims sympathise with the charley hebdow attackers it doesn't take rocket science to see we have a problem.

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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jul 17 10.52am
Originally posted by Kermit8 We will never agree on whom to target. And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil? You should be happy. They are protecting the policy you support. Mass immigration and all the s*** it has brought wth it. The government has brought this upon us Labour and Tory alike.
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Jul 17 10.52am

Originally posted by Kermit8

We will never agree on whom to target.

And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil?

You should be happy. They are protecting the policy you support. Mass immigration and all the s*** it has brought wth it.
The government has brought this upon us Labour and Tory alike.

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Stirlingsays 14 Jul 17 11.13am
Originally posted by Kermit8 We will never agree on whom to target. And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil? Not good. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

14 Jul 17 11.13am

Originally posted by Kermit8

We will never agree on whom to target.

And what do you think of The Tories refusing to make public just who is funding extremism here and thus, by definition, the attacks on UK soil?

Not good.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 17 11.14am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger And some people doubt that the CIA/FBI killed him by proxy, just like Bobby Kennedy. We'rent the Kennedys pro-Irish Republican and their father involved in bootlegging? "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Jul 17 11.14am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

And some people doubt that the CIA/FBI killed him by proxy, just like Bobby Kennedy.

We'rent the Kennedys pro-Irish Republican and their father involved in bootlegging?

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 17 11.19am
Originally posted by dannyboy1978 Basically the long and short of it is that the government knows that the rest of Britain are loosing their patient's with Muslims. The government are trying to keep the peace by hiding facts from the public. When a quarter of Muslims sympathise with the charley hebdow attackers it doesn't take rocket science to see we have a problem. [Link] Is this about the NHS now? But seriously, the public in general I don't think have an issue with individual Muslims (i.e. the ones they work with and interact with everyday, possibly without realising it) but with the hypothetical Muslim they don't know, but experience indirectly through the media and events. The danger is when those two concepts melt into one another. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Jul 17 11.19am

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Basically the long and short of it is that the government knows that the rest of Britain are loosing their patient's with Muslims. The government are trying to keep the peace by hiding facts from the public.

When a quarter of Muslims sympathise with the charley hebdow attackers it doesn't take rocket science to see we have a problem.

[Link]

Is this about the NHS now? But seriously, the public in general I don't think have an issue with individual Muslims (i.e. the ones they work with and interact with everyday, possibly without realising it) but with the hypothetical Muslim they don't know, but experience indirectly through the media and events.

The danger is when those two concepts melt into one another.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jul 17 12.09pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 We'rent the Kennedys pro-Irish Republican and their father involved in bootlegging? I think Lennon's other associations might have been more significant to Nixon and Hoover, like Bobby Seale or the anti war movement, plus their failure to have him deported. His re emergence after years of self imposed reclusion might have been the final nail. Governments change but the Thought Police don't. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jul 2017 12.10pm)
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Hrolf The Ganger

14 Jul 17 12.09pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

We'rent the Kennedys pro-Irish Republican and their father involved in bootlegging?

I think Lennon's other associations might have been more significant to Nixon and Hoover, like Bobby Seale or the anti war movement, plus their failure to have him deported. His re emergence after years of self imposed reclusion might have been the final nail. Governments change but the Thought Police don't.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 14 Jul 17 12.39pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think Lennon's other associations might have been more significant to Nixon and Hoover, like Bobby Seale or the anti war movement, plus their failure to have him deported. His re emergence after years of self imposed reclusion might have been the final nail. Governments change but the Thought Police don't. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jul 2017 12.10pm) One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale). And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well. Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles). Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh. Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm) "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 14 Jul 17 12.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think Lennon's other associations might have been more significant to Nixon and Hoover, like Bobby Seale or the anti war movement, plus their failure to have him deported. His re emergence after years of self imposed reclusion might have been the final nail. Governments change but the Thought Police don't.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jul 2017 12.10pm)

One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale).

And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well.

Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles).

Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm)

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jul 17 1.52pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale). And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well. Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles). Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh. Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm) I liked Lennon on some levels. Sharp witted and determined but naive in the world of politics. He was a product of his upbringing like everyone but happened to be one of the biggest pop stars ever in a time when he could have a voice beyond that. I never liked the fact that he effectively abandoned his first son, since he had effectively been abandoned himself as a child but of course, aging changes your perceptions and he was a young and no doubt selfish man at the time. Getting involved with the Black Power, Vietnam and the whole counter culture scene was his way to feeling more self important with a wife who appears to have encouraged that side of him. It was also easy for him to make associations with the likes of Seale and Rubin and easy for them to manipulate him for their own agendas. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jul 2017 1.53pm)
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14 Jul 17 1.52pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale).

And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well.

Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles).

Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm)

I liked Lennon on some levels. Sharp witted and determined but naive in the world of politics. He was a product of his upbringing like everyone but happened to be one of the biggest pop stars ever in a time when he could have a voice beyond that.
I never liked the fact that he effectively abandoned his first son, since he had effectively been abandoned himself as a child but of course, aging changes your perceptions and he was a young and no doubt selfish man at the time.

Getting involved with the Black Power, Vietnam and the whole counter culture scene was his way to feeling more self important with a wife who appears to have encouraged that side of him. It was also easy for him to make associations with the likes of Seale and Rubin and easy for them to manipulate him for their own agendas.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (14 Jul 2017 1.53pm)

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jul 17 2.24pm
Originally posted by sxp55 let Labour bankrupt the country i say. just for bantz Would you rather be poor and living in peace, or rich and dead? "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jul 17 2.24pm

Originally posted by sxp55

let Labour bankrupt the country i say. just for bantz

Would you rather be poor and living in peace, or rich and dead?

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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Brentmiester_General Front line in the battle against t... 14 Jul 17 2.26pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale). And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well. Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles). Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh. Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm) What's your take on Mr Leary? "We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

One of the things I like about you, is that you know who this is (even though I'm pretty sure you're no fan of Newton and Seale).

And definitely so. Lennon also mingled with members of the Yippies and probably people in circles with the SDS and the Weathermen later the Weather Underground. He certainly knew Tim Leary as well.

Personally I find Lennon to be a tiresome self interested bore of a man, who just happened to be a very good song writer (intermittently so after leaving the Beatles).

Although 'Working Class Hero' is a blinding track - most of his post Beatles stuff is a load of f**king tosh.

Edited by jamiemartin721 (14 Jul 2017 12.40pm)

What's your take on Mr Leary?

"We love you Palace, we f@cking hate Man U, We love you Palace, we hate the brighton too, We love you Palace we play in red 'n' blue, so f@ck you, and you ...

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