This post has been merged from a topic called 'I'm not even surprised we're losing ' by Penge Eagle

Hopefully after the latest debacle Frank will have the sense to return to the BFS system that yielded moderate success. This is imperative because the players and the fans confidence will be shot to pieces if this sh*t continues.
Maybe get Freedman and LFS to manage the team and play defensive counter attacking football with the emphasis of getting some defensive stability. Don't experiment with the kids and go back to being horrible to play against.
This on paper is the strongest side we have ever had and the last part of last season proved they can compete at a mid table level.
Don't let 4 years of hard work be ruined by a Dutch Conman. Great footballer yes but manager I don't think so. Even Steve McClaren won the Dutch Title.

First half was poor. Thought we looked significantly better with 4 at the back and Fosu-Mensah playing RB. We need to play a 4-3-3 going forward and 4-5-1 out of possession. Townsend was wasted in the first half, trying to come central but nobody giving him the ball at the back. Puncheon simply has to be dropped, completely ineffective, and Cabaye needs to come in. Love Punch but he doesn't go in our strongest 11 as far as I'm concerned. It's a shocking start to the season and Frank needs to learn very, very quickly. But there is still time.

"Brighton are talking about how they're coming for us. And it's like, we've been waiting in the Premier League for you for ages." Wilfried Zaha, 2017.

Good post.

Well I think Simon's head is large; always involved in espionage. (Name that tune)

Can only agree. As I've said before we have probably a dozen players who are not good enough in the squad that need to go. I'm not blaming FdB or the style change either. If we had Mourinho or Guardiola in charge I doubt the results would be any different with this squad. Some have been good servants to the club but if they're not good enough it's time to cut them, no room for sentimentality in this business. Start with Puncheon, Ward, Delaney, Mutch etc. We need a quality striker up front with Benteke and a RB desperately. What's the latest on Connor Wickham? 29 appearances in 3 seasons and 7 goals wtf !

"Billy Gilbert really is God"

One point in the first half we were attacking in their third and Swansea had two players up yet we had five players defending the half way line.

Recall similar happening when Wilf crossed into the box when we were 2-0 against Huddersfield.

The players don't look like they know what they're meant to be doing and dropping like flies.

Both good points but it is still ultimately down to the manager to play with what he's got, itps fair enough to say we havenpt got the players but we don't have the money to build a Chelsea or a Man Utd over one transfer window (if ever), that's just reality, so FDB has what he has and whether they are either incapable or unwilling to play his system doesn't matter, it's just not working, it needs to change, as I said before he seems to be intelligent enough to change tactics in-game when things aren't working, we've had managers in the past that cannot or will not do this, so that's a point in his favour, he just has to realise it's his basic tactics that are causing a lot of the problems and stop blaming the players for not having passion or not trying hard enough. The players we have while not top quality are perfectly capable of staying in the PL as they have already proved, that is not to say we couldn't do with a major clearout, many are over paid and not as good as I'd like, but we really shouldn't be in this position ea0this early in the season.

Bangell - If Camus wrote The Myth of Sisyphus today, it would be about Jason Puncheon eternally trying and failing to pass with his right foot.