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 Hrolf The Ganger  19 Sep 17 12.44pm |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
How many innocent people would you let die, in order to protect your 'own citizens'. The reality is of course you have to have to take all reasonable precautions and be selective, of course. Problem is, we don't really do any of that or when we do, we're so late in the game, that we can't be reasonably sure, usually after they've turned up here, after being in refugee camps for a few years.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 19 Sep 17 12.51pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The US lost 3,000 in one day in 2001 but didn't stop asylum because of it. Were they being over the top righteous? You probably didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. And if they had stopped all asylum where would that have gotten them 16 years later and now on the world stage? North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well. North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government.
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| Stirlingsays Online 19 Sep 17 12.52pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
The US lost 3,000 in one day in 2001 but didn't stop asylum because of it. Were they being over the top righteous? You probably didn't have an opinion on it one way or the other. And if they had stopped all asylum where would that have gotten them 16 years later and now on the world stage? North Korea lost 1million citizens in 1953-54 and so closed themselves off. That's worked well. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 12.28pm) Now there are crowbar comparisons and then there is that.
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| Stirlingsays Online 19 Sep 17 12.54pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
North Korea is not a pariah because of it's isolation but because of it's loony communist government. Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general.
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Kermit8  Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.01pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Japan destroys all of Kermit's arguments on this issue....well, let me refine that....reality destroys most of his arguments in general. 53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking.
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| Stirlingsays Online 19 Sep 17 1.06pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
53rd happiest nation, Stirling. Why don't you move there? I will stick here and our 23rd ranking. Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 19 Sep 17 1.16pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Japan have rejected increased immigration. So you connecting happiness with that is about as relevant and nonsensical as your America/North Korea comparison. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Sep 2017 1.06pm) Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm)
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| Stirlingsays Online 19 Sep 17 1.26pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm) They are much better in their attitudes towards immigration.....As for your suggestion that I move there....I think perhaps you are missing a trick there. Besides I'm English and have always lived here....A nationality you can't even call yourself. This is my country and my fate is sealed within. I argue for the rejection of progressive attitudes and ideas that are damaging it. Ethnocentric ideas are in the majority anyway amongst the actual population. To say that I don't like my own country is just more crowbar logic from you.
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| dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 19 Sep 17 1.28pm |
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Originally posted by Kermit8
Well you certainly have a hard-on for your interpretation of Japan's (and Poland's) ethnocentric attitudes and seem to believe they are much better places than Blighty because of it. I just thought if our country's way of doing things displeases you so much with your constant criticism of it you could always go to one where your mindset might fit in more? Makes sense. Edited by Kermit8 (19 Sep 2017 1.17pm) Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement.
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Jimenez  SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 19 Sep 17 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by dannyh
Do I really need to point out the ball smashingly obvious irony to this statement.
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 19 Sep 17 1.30pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
All of them to protect my family, in a heartbeat. The game of who you would let live and let die is more complicated than just numbers. The people you let die might include someone who would have grown up to find a cure for cancer say. Similarly, those you let live might include someone who grows up to become a leader who does great damage to society - a baby Jeremy Corbyn for instance. Edited by hedgehog50 (19 Sep 2017 1.30pm)
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 19 Sep 17 2.53pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Personally, yes. I'd let any number of people die, to protect my own family and loved ones. And not just immigrants. But that's why policy and law can't be determined on personal emotions - the rules have to be fair. Asylum, if we go to source though, can be made to work for the UK in a way the current system doesn't. If you can select from the camps and refugees crossing the border, you can pick and choose the best candidates rather than just those who turn up on the door step. It also creates a reasonable grounds for refusing most Asylum claims 'at the border' of the UK and returning people to the point of transit to the UK (i.e. refusing them entry - which is a lot easier than dealing with denied claimants later)
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