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Lyons550 Shirley 19 Oct 17 9.58am
Originally posted by Mr Palaceman He was given a second chance. He was appointed England manager. ...and he hadn't made that same transgression (that we know of since)... The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 19 Oct 17 9.58am

Originally posted by Mr Palaceman

He was given a second chance. He was appointed England manager.

...and he hadn't made that same transgression (that we know of since)...

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 10.02am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely the most sensible course of action when she made her original complaint was for the complainee to say "Oh dear, that wasn't a very professional thing to say, We'll have a word with him to make sure it doesn't happen again" and that should have been the end of the matter It is feasible that as far as Aluko was concerned this wasn't the scenario she desired - she wanted to take matters further, hence the FA agreed to the £80K payment to prevent legal proceedings from disrupting their preparations for the European Championships.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 10.02am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Surely the most sensible course of action when she made her original complaint was for the complainee to say "Oh dear, that wasn't a very professional thing to say, We'll have a word with him to make sure it doesn't happen again" and that should have been the end of the matter

It is feasible that as far as Aluko was concerned this wasn't the scenario she desired - she wanted to take matters further, hence the FA agreed to the £80K payment to prevent legal proceedings from disrupting their preparations for the European Championships.

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Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 10.07am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Has anyone heard anyone at their work say to young female workers, things like, 'Make sure your parents don't bring Ebola over', followed by people in fits of laughter? Is it said in the classroom from teacher to pupil? As it's so acceptable similar surely must've been said to bosses and owners of companies people here have worked for after they may have been back to their ancestral home for a break. 'Hey x, hope you haven't brought any <insert negative topical matter> over here.' Must go down a storm every time. I don't know why it isn't heard everyday, everywhere. Very Partridge or David Brent. This whole thing appears like the regional office being mixed in with the workers' tea room. Anything else you think people should get the sack for? This is a debate about what should and shouldn't be reasonable to take offence to the extent that you can be sacked for it. I think it's loony. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Oct 17 10.07am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Has anyone heard anyone at their work say to young female workers, things like, 'Make sure your parents don't bring Ebola over', followed by people in fits of laughter?

Is it said in the classroom from teacher to pupil?

As it's so acceptable similar surely must've been said to bosses and owners of companies people here have worked for after they may have been back to their ancestral home for a break. 'Hey x, hope you haven't brought any <insert negative topical matter> over here.'

Must go down a storm every time. I don't know why it isn't heard everyday, everywhere. Very Partridge or David Brent.

This whole thing appears like the regional office being mixed in with the workers' tea room.

Anything else you think people should get the sack for?

This is a debate about what should and shouldn't be reasonable to take offence to the extent that you can be sacked for it.

I think it's loony.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Lyons550 Shirley 19 Oct 17 10.08am
Originally posted by Willo It is feasible that as far as Aluko was concerned this wasn't the scenario she desired - she wanted to take matters further, hence the FA agreed to the £80K payment to prevent legal proceedings from disrupting their preparations for the European Championships. The thing is...if it got that far as Midlands suggests..why then didnt the FA ensure they both sat down and just talked it through. Instead they went through 2 x investigations BOTH times the outcome suggested that nothing worth bothering about had occurred. It was only because the papers then got hold of it that he was hung out to dry...but NOT for the comments but for an earlier issue that the FA missed...the FA's recruitment and disciplinary procedures seem to be the issue here.. The Voice of Reason In An Otherwise Mediocre World
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Shirley 19 Oct 17 10.08am

Originally posted by Willo

The thing is...if it got that far as Midlands suggests..why then didnt the FA ensure they both sat down and just talked it through. Instead they went through 2 x investigations BOTH times the outcome suggested that nothing worth bothering about had occurred. It was only because the papers then got hold of it that he was hung out to dry...but NOT for the comments but for an earlier issue that the FA missed...the FA's recruitment and disciplinary procedures seem to be the issue here..

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Mr Palaceman 19 Oct 17 10.15am
Originally posted by Willo It is feasible that as far as Aluko was concerned this wasn't the scenario she desired - she wanted to take matters further, hence the FA agreed to the £80K payment to prevent legal proceedings from disrupting their preparations for the European Championships. No that is not feasible. She asked that it not be made public, so the media wouldn't be involved and her team mates wouldn't be affected. That's according to the F.A. in their statements to a parlimentry committee. "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead" Stan Laurel
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Mr Palaceman

19 Oct 17 10.15am

Originally posted by Willo

No that is not feasible. She asked that it not be made public, so the media wouldn't be involved and her team mates wouldn't be affected. That's according to the F.A. in their statements to a parlimentry committee.

"You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be lead"

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 10.18am
Originally posted by Lyons550 The thing is...if it got that far as Midlands suggests..why then didnt the FA ensure they both sat down and just talked it through. Instead they went through 2 x investigations BOTH times the outcome suggested that nothing worth bothering about had occurred. It was only because the papers then got hold of it that he was hung out to dry...but NOT for the comments but for an earlier issue that the FA missed...the FA's recruitment and disciplinary procedures seem to be the issue here.. I profess that I don't know all the details of this case, however it is possible that Aluko didn't just want to sit down around a table to resolve this issue but wanted more formal procedures to be invoked hence the investigations.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 10.18am

Originally posted by Lyons550

The thing is...if it got that far as Midlands suggests..why then didnt the FA ensure they both sat down and just talked it through. Instead they went through 2 x investigations BOTH times the outcome suggested that nothing worth bothering about had occurred. It was only because the papers then got hold of it that he was hung out to dry...but NOT for the comments but for an earlier issue that the FA missed...the FA's recruitment and disciplinary procedures seem to be the issue here..

I profess that I don't know all the details of this case, however it is possible that Aluko didn't just want to sit down around a table to resolve this issue but wanted more formal procedures to be invoked hence the investigations.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Oct 17 10.20am
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Surely the most sensible course of action when she made her original complaint was for the complainee to say "Oh dear, that wasn't a very professional thing to say, We'll have a word with him to make sure it doesn't happen again" and that should have been the end of the matter Yes if I had said anything similar in a professional office environment I'd be expecting the dreaded 3.30pm meeting that day, and for several days thereafter and if you're within a year then you're probably gone, or maybe the message this won't be accepted again. Several people have gone about this the wrong way but I think from this sort of agreement it was inappropriate. He's the type of unfunny t1t I'd avoid and she's too stiff and uptight, which makes him even more of a fool for not recognising that and putting his job in danger after doing so with 17 year old girls many fathers wouldn't be pleased to hear about. Looks as though it's his playground and effects, consequences or how things come across or look don't come into it. A bit of a wrong'in without the sense to gauge someone like her wouldn't find 7 year old humour funny. COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 19 Oct 17 10.20am

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Yes if I had said anything similar in a professional office environment I'd be expecting the dreaded 3.30pm meeting that day, and for several days thereafter and if you're within a year then you're probably gone, or maybe the message this won't be accepted again. Several people have gone about this the wrong way but I think from this sort of agreement it was inappropriate.

He's the type of unfunny t1t I'd avoid and she's too stiff and uptight, which makes him even more of a fool for not recognising that and putting his job in danger after doing so with 17 year old girls many fathers wouldn't be pleased to hear about. Looks as though it's his playground and effects, consequences or how things come across or look don't come into it. A bit of a wrong'in without the sense to gauge someone like her wouldn't find 7 year old humour funny.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 19 Oct 17 10.29am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Anything else you think people should get the sack for? This is a debate about what should and shouldn't be reasonable to take offence to the extent that you can be sacked for it. I think it's loony. It's not that I think he should be sacked, but I wouldn't be surprised if people are seriously reprimanded, or possibly sacked if they're new in the workplace or there's more dirt. How many times do you hear this type of humorous stuff said to people? There's a reason it isn't. It's overstepping the mark. It's something you hear in the playground and gets stamped out by teachers there. It then may carry on by simpletons in some shyte holes and then these 2 cross paths and he doesn't have the intelligence to see she's not going to take it the same way. COYP
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Caterham 19 Oct 17 10.29am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Anything else you think people should get the sack for?

This is a debate about what should and shouldn't be reasonable to take offence to the extent that you can be sacked for it.

I think it's loony.

It's not that I think he should be sacked, but I wouldn't be surprised if people are seriously reprimanded, or possibly sacked if they're new in the workplace or there's more dirt.

How many times do you hear this type of humorous stuff said to people? There's a reason it isn't. It's overstepping the mark. It's something you hear in the playground and gets stamped out by teachers there. It then may carry on by simpletons in some shyte holes and then these 2 cross paths and he doesn't have the intelligence to see she's not going to take it the same way.

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Stirlingsays 19 Oct 17 10.29am
Any man taking this job is a fool. The things I've heard women say and.....nothing...Most men don't have huge chips on their shoulders.....Anyone with sense knows these are uneven and toxic situations. The race card is played for maximum effect and advantage......and like was mentioned previously Karen Brady had a relationship with a player and....nothing. Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Oct 2017 10.30am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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19 Oct 17 10.29am

Any man taking this job is a fool.

The things I've heard women say and.....nothing...Most men don't have huge chips on their shoulders.....Anyone with sense knows these are uneven and toxic situations.

The race card is played for maximum effect and advantage......and like was mentioned previously Karen Brady had a relationship with a player and....nothing.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Oct 17 10.58am
I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how making a joke about Ebola is 'racist'. Does Ebola only affect black people now? There is no way to avoid the conclusion that this kind of logic only applies if the 'victim' is black or if it suits the agenda. I've yet to have someone prove my assertion wrong. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Oct 2017 10.59am)
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I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how making a joke about Ebola is 'racist'. Does Ebola only affect black people now?
There is no way to avoid the conclusion that this kind of logic only applies if the 'victim' is black or if it suits the agenda.

I've yet to have someone prove my assertion wrong.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 11.09am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how making a joke about Ebola is 'racist'. Does Ebola only affect black people now? There is no way to avoid the conclusion that this kind of logic only applies if the 'victim' is black or if it suits the agenda. I've yet to have someone prove my assertion wrong. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Oct 2017 10.59am) Hrolf Perhaps you know only too well the tentacles of what is deemed 'Racist' are being extended all the time with parameters moved to suit particular circumstances.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Oct 17 11.09am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'm still waiting for an explanation as to how making a joke about Ebola is 'racist'. Does Ebola only affect black people now?
There is no way to avoid the conclusion that this kind of logic only applies if the 'victim' is black or if it suits the agenda.

I've yet to have someone prove my assertion wrong.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Oct 2017 10.59am)

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Perhaps you know only too well the tentacles of what is deemed 'Racist' are being extended all the time with parameters moved to suit particular circumstances.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Oct 17 11.18am
Originally posted by Willo Hrolf Perhaps you know only too well the tentacles of what is deemed 'Racist' are being extended all the time with parameters moved to suit particular circumstances. As I have said already, that is precisely what is happening here. When something is 'official', somehow we all have to accept it like the FA and Parliament won't spin the facts for their own ends. This is the most transparent playing of the race card I have seen with no justification that I can fathom. To see these people scurrying around trying to make gain and save face is a sickening sight indeed. Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (19 Oct 2017 11.19am)
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19 Oct 17 11.18am

Originally posted by Willo

Hrolf

Perhaps you know only too well the tentacles of what is deemed 'Racist' are being extended all the time with parameters moved to suit particular circumstances.

As I have said already, that is precisely what is happening here.
When something is 'official', somehow we all have to accept it like the FA and Parliament won't spin the facts for their own ends.
This is the most transparent playing of the race card I have seen with no justification that I can fathom. To see these people scurrying around trying to make gain and save face is a sickening sight indeed.

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