What's the point of General Talk?
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 Kermit8  Hevon 04 Oct 17 10.37am |
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General Talk gives an opportunity to argue/communicate with/have a go at and occasionally laugh with others of a mind that if it wasn't for here, or the workplace, you probably wouldn't interact with much at all. It just wasn't possible 20 years ago except for dinner parties if no filtering took place. What clusterfvck evenings some of them were
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chris123  hove actually 04 Oct 17 10.48am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
What's the point of anything, its all a distraction from the inevitability of mortal existence. General talk, like having kids, or sniffing glue; it's just as way to temper the howl of the futility of human existence. You need to go shopping.
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 Michaelawt85 Bexley 04 Oct 17 10.50am |
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I use it to post the occasional funny link or if there's something I want some advice on. Does seem a small handful follow each other round from thread to thread hurling insults and making a point of being in disagreement about everything but it's natural if you read or hear something you disagree with to respond with your own point of view. Haven't had a decent derailed thread for ages here
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 10.59am |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
That's true only in a creator-less universe....and I'm not talking about the almost certainly false 'personal gods' here. There could be a point...but perhaps we don't understand it...or like it... almost certainly we aren't the focus. In a creator universe its even worse, as free will is given, but to use it results in punishment; and because these 'sins' are tied to biological imperatives, the outcome is worse than simple oblivion. Of course if we don't understand it, and its not dependent on us, our existence is even more futile. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Besides we live on via those kids. That's half of you, minus the consciousness. No you don't - its your ancestors - At best only an tiny possibility of something unique that might be of you is in that DNA, if you happened to have some kind of genetic mutation that might contribute to an eventual evolutionary change. And of course, who we are is our consciousness. At best you continue to exist as the ideas your children have of you, until they die, and possibly the memories of your grandchildren, until they die. Of course, its only their perception of you, not you. Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Besides, leaving the world a tiny bit better than you came in has a point to it. Except we won't, because better or worse, are simply perceptions of values, which are simply based on our hopes and wishes, rather than the reality of a universe that is vast, uncaring and unware - Even at best they exist until the next extinction level event crashes into the earth, wiping it clean of complex life - which is itself inevitable. Six of the seven established human sub species, are extinct. We're just the next in line. Nihilism is freedom.
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| jamiemartin721 Reading 04 Oct 17 10.59am |
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Originally posted by chris123
You need to go shopping. Or park cars.
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| npn Crowborough 04 Oct 17 11.06am |
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I do like it for getting opposing views, but it deteriorates so quickly when people seem incapable of debating in an adult way (the sort of people you talk to at a party for 30 seconds and think "nope, waste of time" and walk away). Someone probably quite clever said you learn nothing when something goes right, only when it goes wrong, or similar. Same with a debate - "oh wow, yes, you're totally right" teaches you nothing, you should be accepting and welcoming of challenges to your views because it's the only way to test them out. It seems once sides are decided, it's deemed a sign of weakness to accept any contrary points. The political discussions particularly would be a hell of a lot better on here without the playground stuff
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| hedgehog50 Croydon 04 Oct 17 11.12am |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
The point of General Talk (which is what you asked) seems to be for the same half dozen people to try and verbally bash each other senseless on every single thread thus ensuring that the majority of HOLers who might have something to say, stay well away. There should be two General Talk forums with the first exclusively for nickgusset, hedgehog50, Hrolf The Ganger and two or three more to argue with each other until the cows come home and a second forum for the rest of us who might want to discuss issues without the rabble rousers involved A sort of Premier League of rabble rousers you mean?Would there be any sort of promotion/relegation arrangement?
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| mezzer Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 04 Oct 17 11.27am |
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General Talk has been following Palace in a spookily correlated manner. What was quite good has now turned into a completely skewed line up with too much head down aimless dribbling from the right and the left flanks with no one in the centre to take advantage of anything that may eventually come their way. Consequently it's struggling to find any shape whatsoever, is stuffed full of time-rich pompossisists who can spend days on end going round and round with no end result, but who line up for the next thread ready to start the cycle all over again.
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| Only 10 a year!! 04 Oct 17 11.27am |
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Originally posted by hedgehog50
A sort of Premier League of rabble rousers you mean?Would there be any sort of promotion/relegation arrangement? More Southern League Division One Central, with only relegation into it.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 04 Oct 17 11.31am |
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Originally posted by mezzer
General Talk has been following Palace in a spookily correlated manner. What was quite good has now turned into a completely skewed line up with too much head down aimless dribbling from the right and the left flanks with no one in the centre to take advantage of anything that may eventually come their way. Consequently it's struggling to find any shape whatsoever, is stuffed full of time-rich pompossisists who can spend days on end going round and round with no end result, but who line up for the next thread ready to start the cycle all over again. In my defence, being part of the zero hours gig economy I do spend a while in cafes or my car as it's not worth driving home from Croydon between tutees.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Oct 17 11.35am |
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Originally posted by jamiemartin721
I don't agree with that. Nihilism is a perception. I agree with potential aspects of it but it's also an indulgence that can lead to too much self adsorption and justification. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
In a creator universe its even worse, as free will is given, but to use it results in punishment; and because these 'sins' are tied to biological imperatives, the outcome is worse than simple oblivion. You believe in traditional 'free will'? I feel that perhaps there are some Sam Harris lectures and arguments on free well that I recommend you listen to before forming a final view on this. We have a limited form of free will...that's about it. And what you say about a creator universe is only true for some form of religious creator with value judgements. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Of course if we don't understand it, and its not dependent on us, our existence is even more futile You can't know that. Anything in this area is speculation. Life needn't be a point scoring game for the afterlife it could be something else. It could be that it's impossible to know what the point is but that there is one. It doesn't mean your actions won't have a purpose. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
No you don't - its your ancestors - At best only an tiny possibility of something unique that might be of you is in that DNA, if you happened to have some kind of genetic mutation that might contribute to an eventual evolutionary change. And of course, who we are is our consciousness. At best you continue to exist as the ideas your children have of you, until they die, and possibly the memories of your grandchildren, until they die. Of course, its only their perception of you, not you.
It may not be enough for you....but it's still a reality. A version of you lives on in your children. There is a point to this in terms of genetic survival. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Except we won't, because better or worse, are simply perceptions of values, which are simply based on our hopes and wishes, rather than the reality of a universe that is vast, uncaring and unware - Even at best they exist until the next extinction level event crashes into the earth, wiping it clean of complex life - which is itself inevitable. Six of the seven established human sub species, are extinct. We're just the next in line. Only if we stay on this solar system and more urgently only if we can't stop the next extinction event....which given the rate of technological progress is an open question. Besides no extinction event, that we know of, wiped out all life. As you know.....What survives evolves. Events that send us back to bacteria are unlikely before the sun enlarges and destroys the planet anyway. It's impossible to know the point of the survival urge of cellular life. You can assume there is no point but that is like a blind man saying they can describe a painting from the feel of the canvas. Originally posted by jamiemartin721
Nihilism is freedom. An unknowable self indulgence.
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| Lyons550 Shirley 04 Oct 17 11.37am |
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Originally posted by mezzer
General Talk has been following Palace in a spookily correlated manner. What was quite good has now turned into a completely skewed line up with too much head down aimless dribbling from the right and the left flanks with no one in the centre to take advantage of anything that may eventually come their way. Consequently it's struggling to find any shape whatsoever, is stuffed full of time-rich pompossisists who can spend days on end going round and round with no end result, but who line up for the next thread ready to start the cycle all over again.
Bravo Sir...Bravo!
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