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Jimenez SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 16 Nov 17 11.12pm
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Stirlingsays Online 17 Nov 17 1.02am
Originally posted by Ray in Houston That you cannot see that this is Exhibit A of male privilege is as mindboggling as it is sad. You are responsible for your own behavior so, if you read signals wrong and go overboard as a result, pushing things into the territory of harassment, then that's all on you. You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty. This isn't about signing contracts or any other hyperbolic nonsense you want to try and bleed into this issue. It's about equal treatment and respect of others. If you want to talk to someone, go and talk to them. If they tell you to do one, then do one. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But if you won't go away when asked or react negatively to being rebuffed, that's when a line is being crossed into harassment. For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not. Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm) As a younger man I've worked in pubs and nightclubs and mate you are in cloud cuckoo land. You literally criminalise countless people on your interpretation who aren't criminals. You certainly don't speak for women in general on this....perhaps for some feminists but not the general population. You know when I read stuff like your post there I'm reminded why so few women identify as feminists....what is it...just seven percent in the UK. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Nov 17 1.02am

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty.

This isn't about signing contracts or any other hyperbolic nonsense you want to try and bleed into this issue. It's about equal treatment and respect of others. If you want to talk to someone, go and talk to them. If they tell you to do one, then do one. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But if you won't go away when asked or react negatively to being rebuffed, that's when a line is being crossed into harassment.

For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not.

Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm)

As a younger man I've worked in pubs and nightclubs and mate you are in cloud cuckoo land. You literally criminalise countless people on your interpretation who aren't criminals.

You certainly don't speak for women in general on this....perhaps for some feminists but not the general population. You know when I read stuff like your post there I'm reminded why so few women identify as feminists....what is it...just seven percent in the UK.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 17 1.10am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays As a younger man I've worked in pubs and nightclubs and mate you are in cloud cuckoo land. You literally criminalise countless people on your interpretation who aren't criminals. You certainly don't speak for women in general on this....perhaps for some feminists but not the general population. You know when I read stuff like your post there I'm reminded why so few women identify as feminists....what is it...just seven percent in the UK. I bet nearly every woman you speak to can provide at least one example of when a bloke has pushed it too far with her. That ain't right. Men have got away with a lot over the years with attitudes to birds (see what I did there ). Thing is, I reckon a lot of older women see it as part of life as they've lived it, so take comments as flattery. The attitudes are steadfastly ingrained. This younger lot coming through don't want things to be like that any more. Need to move with the times methinks.
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

As a younger man I've worked in pubs and nightclubs and mate you are in cloud cuckoo land. You literally criminalise countless people on your interpretation who aren't criminals.

I bet nearly every woman you speak to can provide at least one example of when a bloke has pushed it too far with her. That ain't right.

Men have got away with a lot over the years with attitudes to birds (see what I did there ). Thing is, I reckon a lot of older women see it as part of life as they've lived it, so take comments as flattery. The attitudes are steadfastly ingrained. This younger lot coming through don't want things to be like that any more.
Need to move with the times methinks.

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Nov 17 1.25am
Originally posted by nickgusset I bet nearly every woman you speak to can provide at least one example of when a bloke has pushed it too far with her. That ain't right. Men have got away with a lot over the years with attitudes to birds (see what I did there ). Thing is, I reckon a lot of older women see it as part of life as they've lived it, so take comments as flattery. The attitudes are steadfastly ingrained. This younger lot coming through don't want things to be like that any more. Need to move with the times methinks. Read your post Nick.....That comes across as a rather condescending attitude to women whose attitudes you don't agree with. Move with the times? What are you saying? That you want to criminise countless thousands of people? By the way that figure of seven percent is a reasonably modern one. Most men and most women just don't live in your activist world and don't want your interference on how they should live their lifes. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2017 1.44am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Nov 17 1.25am

Originally posted by nickgusset

I bet nearly every woman you speak to can provide at least one example of when a bloke has pushed it too far with her. That ain't right.

Read your post Nick.....That comes across as a rather condescending attitude to women whose attitudes you don't agree with. Move with the times? What are you saying? That you want to criminise countless thousands of people?

By the way that figure of seven percent is a reasonably modern one.

Most men and most women just don't live in your activist world and don't want your interference on how they should live their lifes.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 17 8.26am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Read your post Nick.....That comes across as a rather condescending attitude to women whose attitudes you don't agree with. Move with the times? What are you saying? That you want to criminise countless thousands of people? By the way that figure of seven percent is a reasonably modern one. Most men and most women just don't live in your activist world and don't want your interference on how they should live their lifes. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2017 1.44am) Criminalise?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

By the way that figure of seven percent is a reasonably modern one.

Most men and most women just don't live in your activist world and don't want your interference on how they should live their lifes.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2017 1.44am)

Criminalise?

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Nov 17 8.31am
Originally posted by nickgusset Criminalise? This has been a discussion about what is and isn't sexual harassment Nick. Maybe you haven't been reading the previous posts. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Nov 17 8.31am

Originally posted by nickgusset

Criminalise?

This has been a discussion about what is and isn't sexual harassment Nick. Maybe you haven't been reading the previous posts.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 17 Nov 17 8.50am
Originally posted by Stirlingsays This has been a discussion about what is and isn't sexual harassment Nick. Maybe you haven't been reading the previous posts. And I was writing about generational attitudes to women. Not pertinent?
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This has been a discussion about what is and isn't sexual harassment Nick. Maybe you haven't been reading the previous posts.

And I was writing about generational attitudes to women. Not pertinent?

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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 17 Nov 17 9.42am
I had couple of occasions in the early 90's where women brushed their breasts against my arm. One was an 'ex' and it was dark, in a concert, but it was persistent, and I gave it a swerve. "That has to be intentional" I thought, as she brushed her breasts against my arm me for the 28th time. I guess we'll never know, unless she gets famous, then I can go to the tabloids,...errr I mean police. The other was in the USA, in what they term a tltty-bar. The woman was topless and sitting next to me having a chat. She kept brushing her melons against my arm. But I guess that could also be termed as submitting a tender for business. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Nov 2017 9.43am) "The facts have changed", Rishi Sunak
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I had couple of occasions in the early 90's where women brushed their breasts against my arm.

One was an 'ex' and it was dark, in a concert, but it was persistent, and I gave it a swerve. "That has to be intentional" I thought, as she brushed her breasts against my arm me for the 28th time. I guess we'll never know, unless she gets famous, then I can go to the tabloids,...errr I mean police.

The other was in the USA, in what they term a tltty-bar. The woman was topless and sitting next to me having a chat. She kept brushing her melons against my arm. But I guess that could also be termed as submitting a tender for business.

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Stirlingsays Online 17 Nov 17 12.03pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly I had couple of occasions in the early 90's where women brushed their breasts against my arm. One was an 'ex' and it was dark, in a concert, but it was persistent, and I gave it a swerve. "That has to be intentional" I thought, as she brushed her breasts against my arm me for the 28th time. I guess we'll never know, unless she gets famous, then I can go to the tabloids,...errr I mean police. The other was in the USA, in what they term a tltty-bar. The woman was topless and sitting next to me having a chat. She kept brushing her melons against my arm. But I guess that could also be termed as submitting a tender for business. Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Nov 2017 9.43am) Well, according to all the poe faced moralists these women are sex offenders.....not clumsy human beings making a pass. You should be teary eyed and in a Police station now writing out a statement. Most women have common sense..far more common sense than 'progressives'..and that's why we don't have half of all male teenagers on sexual harassment charges. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2017 12.05pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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17 Nov 17 12.03pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

I had couple of occasions in the early 90's where women brushed their breasts against my arm.

Edited by Forest Hillbilly (17 Nov 2017 9.43am)

Well, according to all the poe faced moralists these women are sex offenders.....not clumsy human beings making a pass.

You should be teary eyed and in a Police station now writing out a statement.

Most women have common sense..far more common sense than 'progressives'..and that's why we don't have half of all male teenagers on sexual harassment charges.

Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Nov 2017 12.05pm)

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rikz Croydon 17 Nov 17 12.45pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston That you cannot see that this is Exhibit A of male privilege is as mindboggling as it is sad. You are responsible for your own behavior so, if you read signals wrong and go overboard as a result, pushing things into the territory of harassment, then that's all on you. You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty. This isn't about signing contracts or any other hyperbolic nonsense you want to try and bleed into this issue. It's about equal treatment and respect of others. If you want to talk to someone, go and talk to them. If they tell you to do one, then do one. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But if you won't go away when asked or react negatively to being rebuffed, that's when a line is being crossed into harassment. For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not. Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm) Yes I do and I will
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

That you cannot see that this is Exhibit A of male privilege is as mindboggling as it is sad. You are responsible for your own behavior so, if you read signals wrong and go overboard as a result, pushing things into the territory of harassment, then that's all on you.

You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty.

For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not.

Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Nov 17 12.55pm
Originally posted by Ray in Houston That you cannot see that this is Exhibit A of male privilege is as mindboggling as it is sad. You are responsible for your own behavior so, if you read signals wrong and go overboard as a result, pushing things into the territory of harassment, then that's all on you. You have no God-given right to speak to, let alone proposition, anyone you want to just because you think they might be sending you signals. If that means you don't get your leg over that night, well, tough-titty. This isn't about signing contracts or any other hyperbolic nonsense you want to try and bleed into this issue. It's about equal treatment and respect of others. If you want to talk to someone, go and talk to them. If they tell you to do one, then do one. There's nothing wrong with any of that. But if you won't go away when asked or react negatively to being rebuffed, that's when a line is being crossed into harassment. For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not. Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm) I think its reasonable to speak to people if you think they're 'giving off signals', or maybe even if they're not - there is nothing wrong with talking to someone. I think its really a context thing, if you think someone is giving you the 'signals' or your attracted to someone and your first move is to sidle over and grab their ass, breasts or similarly sexualised actions - then you're a dick who deserves everything that you get. What ever happened to just saying hi, or even a cheesy chat up line. What I don't get is how people can defend unreasonable behaviour. Saying hi, or something similar seems to be a reasonable way of finding out if someone you don't know is interested. Or even a bit of flirting before you start whipping your dick out, or trying to get to first base. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

For what it's worth, this is the world we live in, whether you like it or not.

Edited by Ray in Houston (16 Nov 2017 9.09pm)

I think its reasonable to speak to people if you think they're 'giving off signals', or maybe even if they're not - there is nothing wrong with talking to someone.

I think its really a context thing, if you think someone is giving you the 'signals' or your attracted to someone and your first move is to sidle over and grab their ass, breasts or similarly sexualised actions - then you're a dick who deserves everything that you get.

What ever happened to just saying hi, or even a cheesy chat up line.

What I don't get is how people can defend unreasonable behaviour. Saying hi, or something similar seems to be a reasonable way of finding out if someone you don't know is interested.

Or even a bit of flirting before you start whipping your dick out, or trying to get to first base.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 17 Nov 17 1.02pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger I think we have to draw a clear distinction between a rapist and a guy who just flirts with and maybe sleeps with a lot of women. The problem starts when you flirt with women who don't appreciate it. Nothing wrong with sleeping around, we're all consenting adults, and as long as there is no real attempt to coerce or force someone into doing something. Guys, like women, come in all shapes, minds and sizes - Problem is maybe that male culture does kind of condone some fairly terrible behaviour - such as ideas that are based in humiliation for entertainment (Grab a granny, f**k a pig etc) - Plus we've all kind of seen and known of men who think the 'how do you get t'uddersfield' chat up line is 'funny'. I think the problem starts where people don't care whether people (men or women) appreciate it. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I think we have to draw a clear distinction between a rapist and a guy who just flirts with and maybe sleeps with a lot of women.
The problem starts when you flirt with women who don't appreciate it.

Nothing wrong with sleeping around, we're all consenting adults, and as long as there is no real attempt to coerce or force someone into doing something. Guys, like women, come in all shapes, minds and sizes - Problem is maybe that male culture does kind of condone some fairly terrible behaviour - such as ideas that are based in humiliation for entertainment (Grab a granny, f**k a pig etc) - Plus we've all kind of seen and known of men who think the 'how do you get t'uddersfield' chat up line is 'funny'.

I think the problem starts where people don't care whether people (men or women) appreciate it.

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