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View Ray in Houston's Profile Ray in Houston Flag Houston 14 Nov 17 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

A quick update on Republican candidate for the US Senate from Alabama Roy Moore: a fifth, very credible, victim has come forward, claiming that Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16 and waitressing at a diner Moore frequented. Her press conference is worth watching but is completely heartbreaking.

Meanwhile, people who knew Moore "back in the day" have made statements to the effect that everyone knew he went after young girls and it was thought of as a little creepy. Moore was banned from the local shopping mall because he used to pester high school girls around the food court.

His poll numbers are dropping, despite 50 Alabama Pastors signing a statement in support of him and Fox News viewers smashing their Keurig's (seriously, this is a thing) and he's now running behind the Democrat - a former District Attorney who - amongst other achievements - successfully prosecuted, some 40 years after the fact, Klan members who blew up a church killing 4 young girls between the ages of 11 and 14. Honestly, the contrast is that stark.

Coincidentally, the Republican establishment has (finally) jumped ship - Mitch McConnell yesterday saying that "I believe those women" and that he thinks Moore should step down. In the meantime, Alabama law means that there's no way now to remove Moore's name from the ballot, so the party is scrambling to figure out how to stop Jeff Sessions' old, safe Senate seat from going to a Democrat and further shrinking their thin Senate majority.

Election day is December 12.

Edited by Ray in Houston (14 Nov 2017 3.51pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


It's called 'sexual harassment'.....not sexual harassment within power situations.....that's an example of it but it's not limited to that. Our society is currently going overboard with what realistically is sexual harassment but perhaps in places like Hollywood this rebalancing helps...if they don't go overboard.

Sexual harassment exists and has always existed. It's physical forms are mainly carried out by men but it's done by both sexes.

It's just another example of the redefinitions that progressives add to words. Racism being another one...'You can't be racist to white people' being another BS plank of this philosophy because again....the 'power' excuse.

You hate Trump, but it's this type of politics that is responsible for a core of his support. A person like Trump could have never had gained the popularity necessary to win the republican ticket if 'progressivism' hadn't infected the democratic party.

Edited by Stirlingsays (14 Nov 2017 1.58am)

Well some consider isms only ever applicable to the oppressed minority so what we really should be doing is shutting down these fanatics to make way for the appropriate definitions and focus on genuine victims. Similarly those using the same logic to expand the list of victims so long as it excludes men are undermining the issue.

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

A quick update on Republican candidate for the US Senate from Alabama Roy Moore: a fifth, very credible, victim has come forward, claiming that Moore sexually assaulted her when she was 16 and waitressing at a diner Moore frequented. Her press conference is worth watching but is completely heartbreaking.

Meanwhile, people who knew Moore "back in the day" have made statements to the effect that everyone knew he went after young girls and it was thought of as a little creepy. Moore was banned from the local shopping mall because he used to pester high school girls around the food court.

His poll numbers are dropping, despite 50 Alabama Pastors signing a statement in support of him and Fox News viewers smashing their Keurig's (seriously, this is a thing) and he's now running behind the Democrat - a former District Attorney who - amongst other achievements - successfully prosecuted, some 40 years after the fact, Klan members who blew up a church killing 4 young girls between the ages of 11 and 14. Honestly, the contrast is that stark.

Coincidentally, the Republican establishment has (finally) jumped ship - Mitch McConnell yesterday saying that "I believe those women" and that he thinks Moore should step down. In the meantime, Alabama law means that there's no way now to remove Moore's name from the ballot, so the party is scrambling to figure out how to stop Jeff Sessions' old, safe Senate seat from going to a Democrat and further shrinking their thin Senate majority.

Election day is December 12.

Edited by Ray in Houston (14 Nov 2017 3.51pm)

This has been exposed as fake & these people are denying they've even signed it claiming it's actually a possible forgery. So goes from bad to worse. He'll be gone within 48 hours...

 


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Originally posted by Jimenez

This has been exposed as fake & these people are denying they've even signed it claiming it's actually a possible forgery. So goes from bad to worse. He'll be gone within 48 hours...

Thanks for the heads up on the letter. Seems that Moore's wife posted it to Facebook, suggesting it was new, when it was actually from some time back in the campaign.

Moore is getting far more scrutiny now too. People looking back at his judicial history are finding that - in addition to being kicked off the bench twice for non-paedophilia related indiscretions - he had a disturbing habit of ruling against sex crime victims and with their attackers. [Link]

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A review by the Guardian of all decisions issued by the Alabama supreme court during Moore’s second stint found decisions on 16 criminal cases that involved alleged sexual crimes. Moore sided with the offender over state prosecutors in 13 of those cases.

On 10 occasions, this meant dissenting from the court’s majority view. Moore sided with the state in the other three cases.

Among Moore’s 10 dissents were those that sided with appeals by David Pittman, who had pleaded guilty to the rape of a 12-year-old girl. Moore in September 2015 said that Pittman ought to have been allowed to present evidence to court indicating that the girl had been sexually active and had a sexually transmitted disease.

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Yes, you can be bothered by the drunk bird in the pub and, technically, that is sexual harassment. The difference is that, when the harasser has power over the victim, that's when it strays into illegality. I'm talking specifically about such illegal acts while you seem to be lost in your cloud of male privilege, as usual.


Technically? Sorry, but here you are again inventing redefinitions.

Errr....'male privilege'? Please inform me about my 'male privilege'...it would be great to hear it from you. From the heights of your moral perch up there on Mount Misandry.

 


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Originally posted by johnfirewall

Well some consider isms only ever applicable to the oppressed minority so what we really should be doing is shutting down these fanatics to make way for the appropriate definitions and focus on genuine victims. Similarly those using the same logic to expand the list of victims so long as it excludes men are undermining the issue.

Yep, that's progressivism all over.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Technically? Sorry, but here you are again inventing redefinitions.

Errr....'male privilege'? Please inform me about my 'male privilege'...it would be great to hear it from you. From the heights of your moral perch up there on Mount Misandry.


The technicality being the harm done. Someone persistently hitting on someone who is not interested is an annoyance. Someone with power over a person - either physically or professionally - and persistently hitting on them is far more damaging and thus far more serious.

Your cloud of male privilege being the thing that is stopping you from seeing the difference between these two very different situations. Thankfully, for clarification for people confused about this such as yourself, there are laws to protect people from the latter.

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays


Technically? Sorry, but here you are again inventing redefinitions.

Errr....'male privilege'? Please inform me about my 'male privilege'...it would be great to hear it from you. From the heights of your moral perch up there on Mount Misandry.

Well maybe to an extent, the 'drunk bird in the pub who won't take no for an answer' isn't likely a threat in much more than a hypothetical way, where as the drunk guy equivalent, harassing a woman, might well be seen as a potential rapist.

I wouldn't call that male privillage, but there is a definite truth that men don't tend to be the victims of rape by drunk women (its rare enough to be next to non-existent). The reverse, sadly, isn't true.

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston


The technicality being the harm done. Someone persistently hitting on someone who is not interested is an annoyance. Someone with power over a person - either physically or professionally - and persistently hitting on them is far more damaging and thus far more serious.

Your cloud of male privilege being the thing that is stopping you from seeing the difference between these two very different situations. Thankfully, for clarification for people confused about this such as yourself, there are laws to protect people from the latter.

I think we all agree that sexual harrassment happens, that's its more extreme forms are commonly carried out by men, though by no means exclusively so and that action proportionate to the offence is appropriate.

I'm concerned that the societal hyperbole is moving into territory where 'making a pass' is now sexual harassment. I'd always considered that it became harassment if it were out of the blue, or when you continued once you were rejected or asked to stop.

There needs to be common sense applied to, what is in most cases, normal everyday interactions between people.

Modern politicians are zeitgeist whores latching onto the latest cultural trends shouted out by activist minorities.....who if the media ignored wouldn't have influence because their ideas are in the cloud cuckoo lands inevitably inhabited by those who believe in utopias.

 


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Well maybe to an extent, the 'drunk bird in the pub who won't take no for an answer' isn't likely a threat in much more than a hypothetical way, where as the drunk guy equivalent, harassing a woman, might well be seen as a potential rapist.

I wouldn't call that male privillage, but there is a definite truth that men don't tend to be the victims of rape by drunk women (its rare enough to be next to non-existent). The reverse, sadly, isn't true.

'Male privilege' is a very misleading term I think. We see it being used more regularly.

There are advantages and disadvantages to being born a male or a female. These pros and cons are dependent upon the type of society you are born into.

Class is responsible for most advantages anyone receives in life. Your life will benefit you or disadvantage you dependent upon many factors...the attitude of your parent(s) towards you and their social status...genetic predispositions..looks, height, body shape, IQ, educational achievement, social network....yet we hear about gender stuff, this is more relevant to non western society....So many factors come into play.

I could list so many societal realities where men are currently disadvantaged in western society.

Some of those disadvantages I don't complain about because they are a natural consequence of being male and come with that territory.....but others are not.

If there is 'male privilege' then I'm not aware of it.....others may like to make individual examples of it. That would be welcomed....I might even agree but in reality I suspect that these 'male privileges are more a consequence of the natural differences between the sexes rather than men doing anything malicious or 'toxic'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Nov 2017 5.58am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think we all agree that sexual harrassment happens, that's its more extreme forms are commonly carried out by men, though by no means exclusively so and that action proportionate to the offence is appropriate.

I'm concerned that the societal hyperbole is moving into territory where 'making a pass' is now sexual harassment. I'd always considered that it became harassment if it were out of the blue, or when you continued once you were rejected or asked to stop.

There needs to be common sense applied to, what is in most cases, normal everyday interactions between people.

Modern politicians are zeitgeist whores latching onto the latest cultural trends shouted out by activist minorities.....who if the media ignored wouldn't have influence because their ideas are in the cloud cuckoo lands inevitably inhabited by those who believe in utopias.


Weinstein, Louis CK, Moore, Spacey and - by his own words - Trump are not being hounded for making a pass out of the blue or not initially taking "no" for an answer. They forced themselves on people sexually.

This is the problem with the male privilege that you so consistently express: allowing people the option of saying "no" without any further blowback is not taking anything away from you. As I have said before, if someone achieving equality (in this case the ability to go to the pub and be left the f*** alone if that's their choice) makes you think that you're losing something, that's the definition of privilege.

 


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