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So the "driver" wasn't paying attention, not even looking at the road. I don't know if it would've had a different outcome as you can't tell from the video if the car tries to brake at all, but even a half a second quicker reaction to brake or swerve could possibly have made a difference.

 


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From watching the video the victim was taking a risk by crossing a road at night and not looking. The driver should have been watching but it's a question if they would have had time to see and react.

Perhaps these cars don't make enough noise and she was relying upon sound to inform her of danger but as electric cars become more common that 'sound' issue will expose the reality that actually quite a lot of pedestrians rely on sound....especially once they start crossing.

Autonomous cars are vastly safer than human driven ones but If you just rely on cameras picking up light I can imagine night time driving in more unlit areas will have issues like this happening.

You have the same distasteful reality that....as just as jet travel only became safer after learning via accidents....this technology is the same.

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You couldnt see the pedestrian until the very last minute when she was in the cars headlights...but surely the pedestrian could've seen the car's headlights from 100's of yards away.

That said, you'd think that the car's LIDAR would've been able to pick her up soon enough to at least be applying the brakes...which it may well have done, but not in time.

As I said before, pedestrians themselves need to take more responsibility when venturing on / across roads.

I'd be interested to see if this would've happened with one of Googles cars as they will use different algorythms and Google is years ahead of Uber in its testing.

I'm also assuming as the 'driver' was looking up and down whilst the car was travelling that she was likely on her phone...!!!

 


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I meant to also say, how s*** are those headlights?

A person's eyes would pick up much more detail than the camera would, especially in the dark and peripherally.

There are a whole range of people that we have to avoid while driving as they may be disabled, kids, mentally impaired, drunk, high, deaf, blind etc. You can't just say well the automated car has the right of way, as the human has the right to life.

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

You couldnt see the pedestrian until the very last minute when she was in the cars headlights...but surely the pedestrian could've seen the car's headlights from 100's of yards away.

That said, you'd think that the car's LIDAR would've been able to pick her up soon enough to at least be applying the brakes...which it may well have done, but not in time.

As I said before, pedestrians themselves need to take more responsibility when venturing on / across roads.

I'd be interested to see if this would've happened with one of Googles cars as they will use different algorythms and Google is years ahead of Uber in its testing.

I'm also assuming as the 'driver' was looking up and down whilst the car was travelling that she was likely on her phone...!!!

Good point, I think "we" and the media have a tendency to lump driverless cars together. In fact multiple companies are testing the technology and are at different stages in their development. It maybe that this wouldn't have happened with other companies.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Good point, I think "we" and the media have a tendency to lump driverless cars together. In fact multiple companies are testing the technology and are at different stages in their development. It maybe that this wouldn't have happened with other companies.


This article would suggest that Uber and their tech/practices are way behind that of tehir rivals such as Google [Link]

 


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Originally posted by Lyons550

You couldnt see the pedestrian until the very last minute when she was in the cars headlights...but surely the pedestrian could've seen the car's headlights from 100's of yards away.

That said, you'd think that the car's LIDAR would've been able to pick her up soon enough to at least be applying the brakes...which it may well have done, but not in time.

As I said before, pedestrians themselves need to take more responsibility when venturing on / across roads.

I'd be interested to see if this would've happened with one of Googles cars as they will use different algorythms and Google is years ahead of Uber in its testing.

I'm also assuming as the 'driver' was looking up and down whilst the car was travelling that she was likely on her phone...!!!

Confirmed that she was watching a TV show on her phone.

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Originally posted by Stuk

Confirmed that she was watching a TV show on her phone.

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Well it sounds like this was an avoidable accident that the technology failed and that the safety driver was not doing their job properly. A tragedy for the family of the deceased.

However as I have pointed out previously you can fix the technology so that these specific circumstances do not happen again. You cannot fix human beings from not paying attention whilst driving.

The technology is still some way off from being safe but it will get their one day and when it is the norm it will save lives.


Edited by Badger11 (22 Jun 2018 11.59am)

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

Well it sounds like this was an avoidable accident that the technology failed and that the safety driver was not doing their job properly. A tragedy for the family of the deceased.

However as I have pointed out previously you can fix the technology so that these specific circumstances do not happen again. You cannot fix human beings from not paying attention whilst driving.

The technology is still some way off from being safe but it will get their one day and when it is the norm it will save lives.


Edited by Badger11 (22 Jun 2018 11.59am)

How lazy have you got to be that you can't be bothered to simply pay attention, in a car that is doing the driving for you?

The supposed safety of the technology is what leads to complacency. How many Tesla drivers have died now or done really stupid things since they've had autopilot?

 


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