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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 03 Jan 18 4.18pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


That is a whole lot of conjecture.

What we do know is that Neanderthals were here in lesser numbers and now only represent around 2 and 4% of European genes. There is no evidence to suggest that they were inferior in any way to Homo sapiens. In fact some evidence points to greater abilities.
Only the purposely blind would fail to see the similarity to the possible future of Europeans.

I don't think there is any conjecture that the only human hominid remaining is homo sapiens - which consists of all the assorted skin tones and genetic pools. Comparing black and asian migration to the competition between two different species. Also there is no conjecture that Homo Neaderthal consisted of a number of different tribal groups, cultures and 'racial types'.

They weren't inferior to Homo Sapians, as far as I could tell, other than they seemed to have become extinct (likely due to a combination of events, not just Homo Sapian migration - Likely a natural disaster that also led to homo sapians expanding northwards from, ironically, Africa into Europe).


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Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I don't think there is any conjecture that the only human hominid remaining is homo sapiens - which consists of all the assorted skin tones and genetic pools. Comparing black and asian migration to the competition between two different species.

They weren't inferior to Homo Sapians, as far as I could tell, other than they seemed to have become extinct (likely due to a combination of events, not just Homo Sapian migration).

What is significant is that despite being potentially more able than Homo Sapiens, they seem to have been overwhelmed by sheer numbers. We are all the same species and presumably of similar ability and 90% of the population will be non European. What is hard to understand about that significance of the comparison? Unless you are deliberately avoiding it.


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You are thinking short term and with limited information.


Swaths of California was on fire...in winter. Miami Beach floods at high tide on a regular basis. The US is now in the grips of a freeze that's 20 - 40 degrees lower than seasonal norms. Individual weather events worldwide are eclipsing records with alarming frequency.

2017 joined the parade of recent years that was one of the hottest ever. What we are experiencing are all weather events projected by climatologists as being what happens when we warm the climate by a degree or two overall.

As we warm the oceans and melt the icecaps - which reflect sunlight and keep the climate cooler - we will accelerate warming and exaggerate the occurrences of anomalous severe weather events.

I am looking long term. You aren't even looking out the window.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I'd suggest that population is a far bigger problem. With that comes the demand for resources and the waste products that come with it.


We can feed a world population of 10 billion just on the crops grown for global beef production. By reducing meat consumption, we can feed the planet, reduce toxic waste from factory farming of animals, improve world health and reduce climate change at the same time (the meat industry produces more greenhouse gasses than the transportation industry).

It's science. You can read it in a book or on the internet. But you have to take your head out of your arse first.

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Swaths of California was on fire...in winter. Miami Beach floods at high tide on a regular basis. The US is now in the grips of a freeze that's 20 - 40 degrees lower than seasonal norms. Individual weather events worldwide are eclipsing records with alarming frequency.

2017 joined the parade of recent years that was one of the hottest ever. What we are experiencing are all weather events projected by climatologists as being what happens when we warm the climate by a degree or two overall.

As we warm the oceans and melt the icecaps - which reflect sunlight and keep the climate cooler - we will accelerate warming and exaggerate the occurrences of anomalous severe weather events.

I am looking long term. You aren't even looking out the window.

You talk about weather phenomenon like they have never happened before, when in fact, records only go back a few hundred years.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You talk about weather phenomenon like they have never happened before, when in fact, records only go back a few hundred years.


Temperature records go back millennia.

You clearly have no understanding of what climate is about at all.

 


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Originally posted by Ray in Houston


Temperature records go back millennia.

You clearly have no understanding of what climate is about at all.

No, they don't. Core samples go back millennia and that data has been shown to be suspect due to the splicing of methods used to produce the results. It also shows that Carbon Dioxide and Methane levels have gone up and down on a regular basis.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, they don't. Core samples go back millennia and that data has been shown to be suspect due to the splicing of methods used to produce the results. It also shows that Carbon Dioxide and Methane levels have gone up and down on a regular basis.

Suspect by who? Again, I'm going with the 97% of scientists who agree that the Earth is warming, it's bad, and we're causing it.

Also, fluctuations in greenhouse gasses in the past have occurred over eons. We took it from 280ppm to over 400ppm in a century. This is not normal and the nicest thing I can call it is irresponsible to try and further such denial nonsense.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 18 8.42pm

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Suspect by who? Again, I'm going with the 97% of scientists who agree that the Earth is warming, it's bad, and we're causing it.

Also, fluctuations in greenhouse gasses in the past have occurred over eons. We took it from 280ppm to over 400ppm in a century. This is not normal and the nicest thing I can call it is irresponsible to try and further such denial nonsense.

It's what happens when a lot of mainstream media either give more weight to what 3% are saying or have to give equal balance to both sides of the argument.

Expect the Galileo was laughed at response soon.

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

Suspect by who? Again, I'm going with the 97% of scientists who agree that the Earth is warming, it's bad, and we're causing it.

Also, fluctuations in greenhouse gasses in the past have occurred over eons. We took it from 280ppm to over 400ppm in a century. This is not normal and the nicest thing I can call it is irresponsible to try and further such denial nonsense.

No, they have occurred over tens of thousands of years.

The scientific community does not tolerate naysayers. It never has. It is not wise to speak out against the consensus if you want to preserve your reputation.

I have seen good arguments for man made global warming but the evidence is nowhere near as cut and dried as some like yourelf claim.
I am not interested in agenda driven science. I want the truth.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, they have occurred over tens of thousands of years.

The scientific community does not tolerate naysayers. It never has. It is not wise to speak out against the consensus if you want to preserve your reputation.

I have seen good arguments for man made global warming but the evidence is nowhere near as cut and dried as some like yourelf claim.
I am not interested in agenda driven science. I want the truth.


Once again, this is complete and utter bollocks. The scientific community uses the peer review system and every single one of them wants to prove each other wrong. It's an incredibly vigorous challenge.

But because scientists don't all agree exactly on the same conclusions, people like you try to claim there isn't consensus. Meanwhile, in the real world, the vast majority of peer-reviewed studies agree on the base findings that we're warming up the climate at an alarming rate and it's a very bad thing to do so.


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 03 Jan 18 8.54pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

No, they have occurred over tens of thousands of years.

The scientific community does not tolerate naysayers. It never has. It is not wise to speak out against the consensus if you want to preserve your reputation.

I have seen good arguments for man made global warming but the evidence is nowhere near as cut and dried as some like yourelf claim.
I am not interested in agenda driven science. I want the truth.

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