Freedom Of Speech In Hyde Park
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 Hrolf The Ganger  07 May 18 2.36pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, apparently objecting to or criticising things today means you 'hate' them. Most things I actually dislike or wish to criticise I don't hate. Others telling me I 'hate' is so ridiculously childish. If I did or do hate something why am I not allowed to 'hate' it? Words are one thing and actions are another. The far left certainly seem to find no problem thinking they can 'hate' sections of humanity. Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this. Outside of libel and incitement to violence nobody should be able to negatively impact me for an expressed thought. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm) Sums it up. It amounts to one sided censorship ultimately. It's all very Orwellian and we are living it right now.
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PalazioVecchio  south pole 07 May 18 2.36pm |
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if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ?
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Park Road  07 May 18 2.37pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
It is being called a far right demo because that is what it is. What they want is freedom to demonise and abuse groups of people based on their race,religion, sexual orientation or anything else these members of the master race think fit. Free speech is now far right? As you are using your free speech to
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pefwin  Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 2.40pm |
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Originally posted by Park Road
Free speech is now far right? As you are using your free speech to Careful now the FLA is apolitical.
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 becky over the moon 07 May 18 2.42pm |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
if i say i do not like tomatoes, will i be accused of a hate crime ? of prejudice ? No, but the People's Vegan Front of Notting Hill will come round your house and pelt it with rotten battery hens. Edited by becky (07 May 2018 2.42pm)
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| Dave58 Ipswich 07 May 18 3.09pm |
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You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted.
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 3.12pm |
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Originally posted by Dave58
You don’t need to stand on speakers corner. You just sit at your computer an cowardly troll people who you don’t agree with. Such a pity these aren’t prosecuted. So right Dave, too many keyboard warriors who do not think before they type.
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| Mr Palaceman 07 May 18 4.00pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Well, apparently objecting to or criticising things today means you 'hate' them. Most things I actually dislike or wish to criticise I don't hate. Others telling me I 'hate' is so ridiculously childish. If I did or do hate something why am I not allowed to 'hate' it? Words are one thing and actions are another. The far left certainly seem to find no problem thinking they can 'hate' sections of humanity. Hating something isn't particularly nice, but suddenly being told that you can't express your opinion is anti liberal and anti western and no body voted for this. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.28pm) I fully stand by the right to speak freely, even if that free speech is sometimes unsavory to me. However, an expressed thought stops being a thought, it becomes a statement and let's suppose that statement has a negative impact, on another member or group of people in society, without actually being an incitement to violence or libelous. For the sake of debate, if a person makes a statement that impacts negativly on another, why should they expect not to be negatively impacted by the consequences of that statement? That's the 'cost' of free speech. Every right has a responsibility and free speech is no different. Just because something can be said in life, it doesn't mean that it should be, or at least, if you do, understand that others may not like it and their reaction may have a negative impact. Sometimes but not often, people do need to be offended or told the truth but having the wisdom to know when to be silent is a skill that I fear is becoming a lost virtue. It's an age old problem.
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| davidpercival Croydon 07 May 18 4.16pm |
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Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson. It seems the claim is that people are being taken to court for expressing their views but the fact is the convictions have been by a jury of fellow British people who say it is hate speech. Free speech does not mean you can incite hostility to groups of people because of their nationality, race, religion, whatever, which is what they want to do.
Originally posted by Stirlingsays
If you think that is far right? You very obviously don't know the far right. This 'far right' demo had both homosexuals and transsexuals speak and perform at it. It had people of multiple races speak at it. The real far right call these people degenerates. This is a video of the far right actually talking about this demo. How about you actually watch it so that you know what you're talking about for next time. They start talking about the demo at 2.25 minutes in. Perhaps you're the type of person who believes in the same repression that the soviets believed in and enforced. The type of people you think are far right were the same type of people who actually fought and beat the Nazis from this country and Europe. I want the freedom to call anybody anything I like without the state getting involved. The same as it is in the US.....and you know....pretty much how the law actually was until New Labour changed it. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 2.08pm)
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| Stirlingsays 07 May 18 4.21pm |
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Originally posted by davidpercival
Whilst some of the people attending may not be far right, all the speakers at the rostrum I heard about come into that category, not least Tommy Robinson. It seems the claim is that people are being taken to court for expressing their views but the fact is the convictions have been by a jury of fellow British people who say it is hate speech. Free speech does not mean you can incite hostility to groups of people because of their nationality, race, religion, whatever, which is what they want to do. You simply don't know what you talk about. He was not convicted by a jury! Why don't you even know the basic facts of something you pronounce on? I bet you didn't watch the video. Stop being ignorant. And yes, free speech does mean you can be hostile to whomever you like. Edited by Stirlingsays (07 May 2018 4.44pm)
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| pefwin Where you have to have an English ... 07 May 18 4.26pm |
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Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK? The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber.
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| Stirlingsays 07 May 18 4.36pm |
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Originally posted by pefwin
Reading the thread, am I the only one who sees the right to speech at SC different to the rest of the UK? The place where people can be as libellous as any MP in the chamber. In America that's every street corner.
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