It is very relevant if it shows how muslims act and the way a large amount want the West to be.
I can guarantee though that if you do let us know then the crusades and onwards to Iraq and Syria will be a justification in some eyes.

In the immediate aftermath of the 2005 attacks.

As already highlighted, more than once, reference to the MCB and the bombings written as fact on p6 is wholly untrue, yet you stated it as fact, clearly with negative intention.

‘Maybe the Muslim Council of Britain should have spoken out to condemn the London bombings...’

Seeing as you’re unable to spend 30 seconds in order to cross reference your own statements see p6 for the report and screengrab showing all the Muslim organisation responses to that event. As a Brucie bonus, it includes the EU as well. I will also direct you here for further comment from the MCB [Link]

If you perceive yourself as are right leaning, the irony here is delicious. I shouldn’t need to explain why.

I will also say that as I know a lot of you are pretty touchy on here when challenged, this does not mean I think that the MCB are the best thing since sliced bread. This is just a call and response.

Regarding Hamza, as stated above, I have no idea. That’s also part of your statement but the difference being it seems more like the truth after your follow up. Which is progress - and to respond, yes not good enough for the Muslim community at the time.

If he had been brewing since 1995 something should have been done way way before that. They then had to pay the price for tolerating it or turning a blind eye (assumption, I’d need to do some reading). And you could argue they’re still paying now, to some extent.

The problem is once you post something with such conviction as though it is fact and it actually turns out to be a lie, it’s not always easy for others to accept what you say, and greatly reduces your credibility. Especially when debating such sensitive and complex issues where truth and context are so important.

Ah the ole sly cherry picker being wheeled out into the land of contextless reference to suit ones line of attack (although I’ll give you a point for actually remaining vaguely on topic)

This is the problem with you boys. It is impossible to have a decent discussion because things are constantly being taken and misquoted, twisted or just plain forgotten. And that’s just your own points of view ¯\_(&#12484_/¯

For ref.

Note, CONTRIBUTING FACTOR not the SOLE CAUSE. Important to read, not scan. *rolls eyes, yet again* (again)

1995 - 1997, noted. Read through the post many times but it obviously didn’t stick. Thankfully an error made on a point of agreement

Patronising - maybe, if you see me as superior (joke). In all seriousness, it happens a lot. Serial lack of thread awareness. If that came across as patronising, I apologise

Re. Touchy - that was not specific to you, ‘twas a generalist point. There are a lot of people that find it hard to climb down, agree or admit mistakes on here because of blind faith and allegiance to a ‘side’. Which doesn’t help if you’re tying to have a proper debate.

I have some reading on hamza to do!

A statistic is just a number. And numbers are as easily manipulatable, incomplete, and misleading as words are. But they’re more dangerous than words, because numbers are associated with math, and math is associated with fact.

But facts are something special. Facts are complete and unbiased enough to tell you something relevant to understanding the past or predicting the future. They don’t care about your goals. They’re uninterested in your politics. They’re not trying to tell your story. They don’t have quarterly earnings expectations to meet. They drown themselves in context and explain blunt-force reality in all its glory.

You suggested, that facts and statistics are the same.
I suggest, you read the dictionary before attempting Hamza.

You said, someone presented a fact, that was made up - to try and prove that the two words are the same.

This SW19cpfc is called a lie.
Lies=not telling the truth, which therefore is the opposite of fact.

All the above is called - common sense or fact whichever you like, something you believe is not important in a debate.

Not understanding English vocabulary, is something to learn and will help you when debating.

So,and I can't stress this more, but before you pick up a book on Hamza - try the dictionary first. Sorry to have to repeat this, but when dealing with someone who thinks common sense is irrelevant - well you know what I mean.

I'm sure your big enough to admit I'm right and you are wrong about the differences of those two words, and will gladly say so, according to your philosophy.

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