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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 15 Oct 20 8.48pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC
Genocide. Exaggerate much?

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Do you deny the English are an ethnic group?
Do you deny mass immigration has caused physical harm to the English? (https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/in_memoriam)
Do you deny that we have been subject to endless propaganda not to have children? [Link]
Do you deny that our children have been targeted en masse by racial attacks? [Link]

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 15 Oct 20 8.55pm Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

By the way, I only addressed the first three words of your post and will look to address the rest tomorrow.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Oct 20 9.29pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

There you go w12.
Your wish is sw's command

TBF this subject has been covered over and over again, but in this instance someone has to attempt to provide some balance to the self-indoctrinated, self-centred paranoia driven elements of that post.

Being liberal, conservative, left or right has nothing to do with it really. I don't claim to be any of those – self labelling is for chumps – your position should always be objective and open to change, challenge and evolve accordingly

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 15 Oct 20 10.08pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by W12

It's not our responsibility to solve other countries problems and how many "refugees" ever go back to their country of origin? I would suggest about none.

I've heard and read about plenty of them talking of 'going home' for holidays though......

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 15 Oct 20 10.29pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by W12

In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:

Killing members of the group;
Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.

Do you deny the English are an ethnic group?
Do you deny mass immigration has caused physical harm to the English? (https://www.patrioticalternative.org.uk/in_memoriam)
Do you deny that we have been subject to endless propaganda not to have children? [Link]
Do you deny that our children have been targeted en masse by racial attacks? [Link]

Oooh lazily constructed, partisan question time! What fun.


1 – Nope


2 – Nope, but posting a link to a set of people that total up to 0.0002% of the 'white british' ethnic population (2011 census) to try and support for a generalist argument against mass immigration is a bit weird.

Personally I would have posted something more balanced like this [Link]

And for the record, I'm all for immigration controls and properly enforced qualifications and limits. But they need to be enforced ethically as well as ruthlessly.


3 – I agree that environmentalists, and some of the left bang that drum. Everyone, endlessly? No. All articles from 'leftist' or 'rightist' media are effectively propaganda. And that's a guardian opinion piece, aimed at lefties. Is it government policy? No.

I'd be amazed if you weren't able to find an article saying the opposite from a prominent right leaning media outlet. So a bit of a silly one. I get that you're lazily using it as an excuse to make yet another generalist point (out of a targeted one, two so far...) about the left over dramatising the malaise of the world, climate change etc. in order to create a climate (pun) of fear of which will then prevent people having children.

Seems a bit overly complex for me as a strategy. It's also pretty well known that wealthy, developed nations tend to have less children, anyway. Maybe there's actually bad s*** happening in the world and technology is the one amplifying it and making it impossible to ignore or escape? Or maybe it's the lefty bogeymen again (clue – it's mainly tech).

Anyway, shock horror, other people are allowed to have partisan opinions just like you. If you'd posted a government statement, claim or campaign, then fair enough. But in this case that article is simply an opinion piece preaching to the converted.


4 – Define en masse – again, sensationalist. All white british children? No. Half of all white british children? no. 1/16th of all white british... I'd wager the percentage affected is similar to the above. Lets not exaggerate and claim it's the majority of the UK youth are affected here.

Is there a cultural issue amongst some ethnic groups when it comes to women and children due to oppressive, outdated, usually religiously driven dogma? Yep. Is that a problem? Yep. Is it a pandemic (pun) of rape and paedophila? No.

Are immigrants, adults and children, abused, exploited and attacked en masse? no. Are they in similar or larger numbers to those above? Yes.


Bonus – And finally, posting the description of what genocide means (thanks, I didn't know) does not act as a qualifier.


Here's a couple for you, though, just because:

Oversimplification
Simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.

Sensationalist
A person who presents stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 16 Oct 20 8.24am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Oooh lazily constructed, partisan question time! What fun.


1 – Nope - then why do we not have the right to our own homeland and run our country the way we want to?


2 – Nope, but posting a link to a set of people that total up to 0.0002% of the 'white british' ethnic population (2011 census) to try and support for a generalist argument against mass immigration is a bit weird. All these people died avoidable but violent deaths due to mass immigration. It's by far a complete list and doesn't even include people that died at the hands of terrorists including children. How many actual people do you think were indirectly affected by this? e.g. friends, family, loved ones. Also, this is just the jagged tip of the iceberg. What about all the people injured, threatened, stolen from, intimidated etc? It happens every day in cities across this country and ever year it gets worse because liberals excuse it and turn their ire to anyone who disagrees yet live in their own little white ethnostates like Dulwich, Chiswick, Richmond (SW19?) etc. It's f***ing disgusting.

Personally I would have posted something more balanced like this [Link]

Of course you would. Muh fascists

And for the record, I'm all for immigration controls and properly enforced qualifications and limits. But they need to be enforced ethically as well as ruthlessly.

Immigration controls are not enough if native birthrates are so low. We need to encourage women to have children and have a system of voluntary repatriation. Also just stop the mass welfare state handouts to people that have put nothing into the system. Why do we need *any* of these people on a permanent basis?

3 – I agree that environmentalists, and some of the left bang that drum. Everyone, endlessly? No. All articles from 'leftist' or 'rightist' media are effectively propaganda. And that's a guardian opinion piece, aimed at lefties. Is it government policy? No.

I'd be amazed if you weren't able to find an article saying the opposite from a prominent right leaning media outlet. So a bit of a silly one. I get that you're lazily using it as an excuse to make yet another generalist point (out of a targeted one, two so far...) about the left over dramatising the malaise of the world, climate change etc. in order to create a climate (pun) of fear of which will then prevent people having children.

The BBC (our tax funded state broadcaster)

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[notice they are always white people in these articles - so much for diversity]

What are the government doing to encourage native brits to have children? Nothing, in fact they are doing the opposite by shoehorning more women into men's jobs on the grounds of "equality".

Seems a bit overly complex for me as a strategy. It's also pretty well known that wealthy, developed nations tend to have less children, anyway. Maybe there's actually bad s*** happening in the world and technology is the one amplifying it and making it impossible to ignore or escape? Or maybe it's the lefty bogeymen again (clue – it's mainly tech).


Anyway, shock horror, other people are allowed to have partisan opinions just like you. If you'd posted a government statement, claim or campaign, then fair enough. But in this case that article is simply an opinion piece preaching to the converted.

People are actually not allowed to discuss this are they? Even Farage and his milk toast objections to illegal immigration (like that's really the problem) are treated by the likes of the BBC (our state broadcaster) as beyond the pale. People like him are only brought on for mock show trials to be talked over and admonished usually by a panel of BAME/feminists. If I discussed this at work then I would be in real danger of losing my job not being in any "protected class". The mainstream is now anti-white working class unless you agree with this s*** show

4 – Define en masse – again, sensationalist. All white british children? No. Half of all white british children? no. 1/16th of all white british... I'd wager the percentage affected is similar to the above. Lets not exaggerate and claim it's the majority of the UK youth are affected here.

If there is a backlog of 37,000 cases (and bearing in mind these types of crimes are generally unreported at a rate of about 4 or 5 to one) how bad does it need to get before you would consider it "en masse". Have you ever read "Easy Meat" because I'll tell you for now it's f***ing hard going and these are clearly and consistently racially motivated crimes against mainly white children. They were also systematically covered up right up to government level. Please can you tell me of any scandal in recent history that would compare in this country and therefore finally deserve your attention?

Is there a cultural issue amongst some ethnic groups when it comes to women and children due to oppressive, outdated, usually religiously driven dogma? Yep. Is that a problem? Yep. Is it a pandemic (pun) of rape and paedophila? No.

Yes it's as wide scale as you could imagine, nothing has been done to stop it and yet you feel that it's an appropriate subject for making puns?

Are immigrants, adults and children, abused, exploited and attacked en masse? no. Are they in similar or larger numbers to those above? Yes.

Maybe you could point me to one case of a white man in this country grooming and then raping a pakistani/Muslim child? (maybe not)

Bonus – And finally, posting the description of what genocide means (thanks, I didn't know) does not act as a qualifier.


Here's a couple for you, though, just because:

Oversimplification
Simplification of something to such an extent that a distorted impression is given.

Sensationalist
A person who presents stories in a way that is intended to provoke public interest or excitement, at the expense of accuracy.

You seem to be doing all of the simplification in your tiny abstracted egalitarian mind.

Sensational?, yeah I would say my reply is pretty sensational.


Edited by W12 (16 Oct 2020 9.02am)

 

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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

TBF this subject has been covered over and over again, but in this instance someone has to attempt to provide some balance to the self-indoctrinated, self-centred paranoia driven elements of that post.

Being liberal, conservative, left or right has nothing to do with it really. I don't claim to be any of those – self labelling is for chumps – your position should always be objective and open to change, challenge and evolve accordingly

What about the left's opinion on mass immigration, it will be to late if they change their mind and the damage is done.

 

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View W12's Profile W12 Flag 16 Oct 20 9.25am Send a Private Message to W12 Add W12 as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

What about the left's opinion on mass immigration, it will be to late if they change their mind and the damage is done.

Yep massive failed social experiment and they have no answers.

 

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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 16 Oct 20 10.04am Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by W12

You seem to be doing all of the simplification in your tiny abstracted egalitarian mind.

Sensational?, yeah I would say my reply is pretty sensational.


Edited by W12 (16 Oct 2020 9.02am)

Firstly, still waiting on a response to my first post.

In the meantime...

We do have the right. The clue is in the ‘we’. The right! Ha.

Plenty of people die avoidable deaths every day, and the figure will be far higher than the tiny sample size you’re using here to try and make the generalist all immigration is bad point. Again, I’m not in favour of mass immigration, but I’m also not in favour of poorly constructed, closed loop arguments.

To reiterate, again, I’m not saying immigration doesn’t cause problems. I’m just questioning the importance you’re placing on the particular recycled examples you’re giving when there are far bigger, more fundamental issues at play. Plus, the attempt to tar all immigrants and, probably for you, 1st and second generation immigrants, as responsible for all petty, sexual and violent crimes in the UK is a bit reductive. And false. The ‘indiginous’ population are of course 100% prim, proper and ‘wouldn’t do that guv’.

Also, I live in central Croydon. You appear to live in West London, like me are a significantly higher rate taxpayer. In addition you send your kids to private school, and complain that because you use private healthcare and education you should get a rebate from the government. So who, exactly, lives in a ‘little white ethno state’ fantasy world again?

Since when did objectivity and balanced reasoning become anything other than the only proper way to think? There is such a thing as rightist propaganda and indoctrination as well you know. It’s not exclusive to the left, as both ‘sides’ demonstrate admirably on here daily.

Again, all wealthy and developed nations have issues with birth control, ageing populations and the need for immigration to prop up their economy. Even Japan is slowly weakening on that. So yeah, fine, we need to encourage more kids, but you can’t force people to do so. The situation is not exclusive to the UK - it’s a well established social problem that occurs and it’s not as simple as saying ‘have more kids’ to solve it. We also have a more sophisticated economy. You think those kids are going to grow up wanting to own newsagents, pick fruit and clean toilets? No. The last six months have proven that. It’s a complex socioeconomic outcome that is hard to solve. On that basis immigration is here to stay.

My point was that there will be plenty of articles and papers out there about why having more kids is important, and the issues and potential solutions around solving the developed economy problem. Not that left and centre left institutions post articles about having less kids. That is obvious, and fine

People are allowed to discuss it. If they weren’t, and it was punishable by death, then the curbs would not be being brought in. What’s not allowed is discussing it in a way that’s xenophobic, moronic and cliched. Which most on this site seem to do. Absolutely nothing wrong with saying you’re against mass immigration, just do some reading and lay your argument out properly with objective facts rather than just recycling the same old acerbic narrative. If I can do it, anyone can

I never said it wasn’t happening. And the scale of it. I just don’t see it as big enough to warrant a lazy trope of ‘this is happening, therefore by extension all immigrants are bad, therefore mass immigration is bad’. There are plenty of other more relevant examples to draw on to make the anti immigration point.

Yeah why not? The way you’re attempting to put other peoples points across as your own is mildly comedic

Maybe you should step back and look at the subject of the argument - mass immigration (en masse) is the topic, not grooming. There’s a thread for that - and yes, you’d be right, it’s obviously an imported problem (well the scale of it anyway). However is it the sole, or even main reason that mass immigration is bad? No. ‘Indiginous whites’ do plenty of bad things, cumulatively, every day. Just because they’re not the same type of crime doesn’t mean they can’t be made part of a comparison.

I am not simplifying. I am expanding - you’re the one focusing on tiny portions of what is a very broad and complex debate, which should be the focus of this thread.

Oh certainly some of the subject matter is outrageous, but the way you’re conveying it is sensationalist.


Edited by SW19 CPFC (16 Oct 2020 11.55am)

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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Originally posted by W12

Yep massive failed social experiment and they have no answers.

‘They’

Who is they? The lefties? Fine. But it’s not just a lefty directive, is it now

 


said the rabid giraffe whilst brandishing his throbbing member of reason, and twas ever thus.

Did you know? 95% of people are morons.

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a deliberate planned colonisation is a War-Crime.

Discuss

 


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Originally posted by becky

I've heard and read about plenty of them talking of 'going home' for holidays though......

I had a student claiming asylum from Nigeria. She regularly returned on holidays so it can't have been of any danger to her. She still got asylum and has full citizenship. I see it all the time.

 


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Red and Blue Army!

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