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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 02 Jun 19 7.10pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Belmont

Interestingly I am the son of an immigrant born and raised in Croydon, if someone asked me I would identify as British.

The reason being my father and many other commmonwealth people signed up to fight for Britain in WW2 and they were part of the British empire so in the case of my father he identified as British as so then I did as well.

Yeah....that kind of isn't making it better.

 

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View Belmont's Profile Belmont Flag 02 Jun 19 7.53pm Send a Private Message to Belmont Add Belmont as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah....that kind of isn't making it better.

I'm really not being obtuse but could you explaain why?

 

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The left are really sinking to a new level now.
Mix – Killdren – Kill Tory Scum (Before They Kill You): [Link]

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

The left are really sinking to a new level now.
Mix – Killdren – Kill Tory Scum (Before They Kill You): [Link]

I saw that very juvenile and pathetic. If this band want to be really brave and radical try performing a song that goes against "their" anti establishment audiance there's nothing radical about preaching to the converted.

It's the equivalent of telling your mates you were really brave you walked into a Millwall pub and yelled I love Millwall, a big so what.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I saw that very juvenile and pathetic. If this band want to be really brave and radical try performing a song that goes against "their" anti establishment audiance there's nothing radical about preaching to the converted.

It's the equivalent of telling your mates you were really brave you walked into a Millwall pub and yelled I love Millwall, a big so what.

It's inciting hatred which is against the law and everything the left are against. Imagine the upraw if it was kill the libby liberals.
The definition of terrorism.
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Of coarse the police arnt interested though.

 

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Originally posted by dannyboy1978

It's inciting hatred which is against the law and everything the left are against. Imagine the upraw if it was kill the libby liberals.
The definition of terrorism.
the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.
Of coarse the police arnt interested though.

Yeah, I mean they should have threatened not to rape somebody.....the Keystone cops would have investigated them then.

 

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Originally posted by Belmont

I'm really not being obtuse but could you explaain why?

When the actual English themselves can't bring themselves to identify as English because of their genes.....it just confirms a reality that was hidden to me growing up.

I was raised being told that if someone was born in England then they were English and stuff like skin colour and genes didn't make a difference.

Turns out, when I get out there as an adult and meet lots of English born offspring of immigrants, I find out that about 90 percent don't call themselves English but British (even though they are actually English).

So in affect, they agree with the far right that being English is purely genetic and that you can't be English unless you have some genetic heritage from these islands......in other words, white northern European (anglo saxon genes)

Personally, I'm more with the 'genetic' and the 'cultural' as definitions of English.

I give some time to the 'cultural' because of two reasons.......you get mixed heritage and a person has the right to choose the lineage they identify with.....So if they choose the 'English' identity that's their choice.

Second, if someone's allegiance is to being English then I don't think it's going to bother many people that their genes aren't from these islands or even Europe.....not unless this starts to become the majority and the actual genetic English start to become a minority in their own homelands.

Every nation needs to safe guard against that loss of hegemony......and many outside of Europe actually do.


Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 9.23pm)

 

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View Jimenez's Profile Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 03 Jun 19 12.54pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

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Gorgeous George showing his true colours again, It must be an inherit Labour trait.

 


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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 03 Jun 19 3.28pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So in affect, they agree with the far right that being English is purely genetic and that you can't be English unless you have some genetic heritage from these islands

Personally, I'm more with the 'genetic' and the 'cultural' as definitions of English.

Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 9.23pm)

These islands ? Careful sterling. The Scots Welsh and Irish will never be English. We can be eagles, Zoroastrian, vegetarian, Lgbt, or Buddhist.....but never English. And when england play Japan in the world cup you may be surprised how many of us shout "Tora Tora Tora

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

These islands ? Careful sterling. The Scots Welsh and Irish will never be English. We can be eagles, Zoroastrian, vegetarian, Lgbt, or Buddhist.....but never English. And when england play Japan in the world cup you may be surprised how many of us shout "Tora Tora Tora

Sorry but you’ll find there’s loads of people whose ancestors were from across the Welsh or Scottish borders and they don’t even know it, like the farm workers from the West Country who moved to london? Many of their ancestors were Welsh.

And what about all those Scotland supporters? Do they have to support Ireland instead? You’ll be left with one stand full at hampden Park.

 


COYP

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 03 Jun 19 5.33pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

When the actual English themselves can't bring themselves to identify as English because of their genes.....it just confirms a reality that was hidden to me growing up.

I was raised being told that if someone was born in England then they were English and stuff like skin colour and genes didn't make a difference.

Turns out, when I get out there as an adult and meet lots of English born offspring of immigrants, I find out that about 90 percent don't call themselves English but British (even though they are actually English).

So in affect, they agree with the far right that being English is purely genetic and that you can't be English unless you have some genetic heritage from these islands......in other words, white northern European (anglo saxon genes)

Personally, I'm more with the 'genetic' and the 'cultural' as definitions of English.

I give some time to the 'cultural' because of two reasons.......you get mixed heritage and a person has the right to choose the lineage they identify with.....So if they choose the 'English' identity that's their choice.

Second, if someone's allegiance is to being English then I don't think it's going to bother many people that their genes aren't from these islands or even Europe.....not unless this starts to become the majority and the actual genetic English start to become a minority in their own homelands.

Every nation needs to safe guard against that loss of hegemony......and many outside of Europe actually do.


Edited by Stirlingsays (02 Jun 2019 9.23pm)

But he was referring to British, which you’ve agreed with further back in the thread.

Black British
British Asian

French African (going against my point but it covers the fact someone black or from Africa doesn’t have French genes and probably likes to keep their genetic identity)

When people whose genes are obviously not from this country play sport for ENGLAND they’re probably playing to represent the people and country and country of their birth but in lots of cases still hang onto and remember the country of their families. However the representing of the best football team that picks you kind of ruins that with some players.

 


COYP

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Originally posted by Jimenez

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Gorgeous George showing his true colours again, It must be an inherit Labour trait.


I stopped being able to mentally process anything George Galloway says after this happened

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