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| W12 19 Feb 19 5.57pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground? Instrumental? That is absolute nonsense
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 Stirlingsays Online  19 Feb 19 6.04pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
Given this some thought and ultimately it does come down to moral superiority. That is the point. We are better than them. For me the easiest option is to wash our hands of this girl. To strip her of her British nationality, to declare that she made her choice and now has to live with it. But that does not make it the right option. She was a child when she left. Effectively, she was a run-away. Playing truant from school. None of that excuses what she supported nor what she did but she is a British citizen and as such, has a right to present herself at our borders. This is not about being liberal or conservative. Right or Left wing. This is about accepting that a child made some s*** decisions and that she needs a chance to redeem herself. And that her own baby is an innocent party. Loathe her. Loathe her beliefs. Loathe her parents and her upbringing. I get, and endorse all of that. But the State has a duty to all of its subjects, especially those under the age of majority. If she decides to leave again, then wash your hands. But since she was a kid when she set off, a duty of care exists in my opinion. We are going around the houses a bit. I respect your viewpoint from a idealistic and kind point of view but it's not a viewpoint that I regard as the better option for a state to take. The morally superior card doesn't work against those who believe they have god on their side. There is no competing against that. One can play that card just for one's own self regard of course but unless you're the one who is happy to live next to these radicals I don't think it's ok to ask anybody else to.....Well, even then it's not ok to expect others to feel the same. She would be a victory symbol for a significant number of anti western extremists who we already have here.
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| Stirlingsays Online 19 Feb 19 6.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground?
However, I assume no moral high ground, different personal standards perhaps......but might has always been right. The rules of the playground are reality and always have been. Finger waggers only get to wag their fingers because they stand behind men capable of violence. There is how people want the world to be.....and then there is how the world is.
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cryrst Online  The garden of England 19 Feb 19 6.34pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Well yes we are instrumental in starvation and war on civilians in Yemen, so why do we assume the moral high ground? How many then.
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| deleted user 19 Feb 19 6.40pm |
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Citizenship revoked.
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| robdave2k 19 Feb 19 6.44pm |
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Reminded of a quote from “The West Wing” “We judge the success of a mission by how few civilians are killed, they judge success by how many”. She certainly isn’t endearing herself to the public in general with her comments. It has been said that the state has a duty of care to all its subjects - in which case the majority have the right to be protected too. But you cease to become a subject when you cease to be subject to the rules and values of the country. The duty of Citizenship cuts both ways.
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| deleted user 19 Feb 19 6.46pm |
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Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.
Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm)
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| steeleye20 Croydon 19 Feb 19 7.00pm |
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That is a very foolish thing to do.
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| cryrst Online The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.11pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
That is a very foolish thing to do. Not as foolish as joining daesh.
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| cryrst Online The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.14pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.
Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm) A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade.
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| cryrst Online The garden of England 19 Feb 19 7.17pm |
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Originally posted by cryrst
A home secratary who will garner much support for this decision without pandering to the bleeding heart brigade. Just waiting to be called a racist bigot.
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| ChrisGC Wantage 19 Feb 19 7.31pm |
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Originally posted by dollardays
Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked by British government "He [Home Secretary Sajid Javid] has no proof that I'm a threat other than that I was in ISIS but that's it.
Edited by dollardays (19 Feb 2019 7.05pm) Beautiful, top stuff
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