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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 31 Dec 21 5.18pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

London will increasingly become somewhere where only the wealthy or those on benefits can afford to live within.

It's what lefty run neo liberalism eventually does to all cities.

you have struck a chord. In the US, the worst crime-ridden ghettos are always lefty governance and the public coffers bankrupt.

chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, milwaukee ..... Sadiq Khan's London ?


more stabbings, more kids killing kids

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (01 Jan 2022 1.15am)

 


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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

you have struck a chord. In the US, the worst crime-ridden ghettos are always lefty governance and the public coffers bankrupt.

chicago, Baltimore, Detroit, milwaukee ..... Sadiq Khan's London ?


Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 Dec 2021 5.22pm)

Indeedy Vecchio.

Anyway my man I'll off for a few drinks.....Happy New Year to you and all of Hol.

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 31 Dec 21 5.33pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by PalazioVecchio

a bumper crop of teenage homicides.

And the Covid has sucked working professionals out of the city and off to places like Cornwall/the Lake District.

will this City look like Detroit in another ten years ? Ditto Paris & New York ?

has the megacity become an obsolete dinosaur ? a Hindenberg in the era of aviation ? Like Rome in 470 AD. Unable to stand up against all its internal contradictions.

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Edited by PalazioVecchio (31 Dec 2021 4.18pm)

Nah. Not short to medium term anyway. London, Paris and NY are very, very, different to Detroit.

All the people that rushed to buy 3+ hours train away from London and who work for major employers will for the most part live to regret their decision as over the next year or so they get called back in for a minimum of 3 days a week, in some cases 4 or 5…

The whole ‘permanent home working from now on’ made me laugh back then and it’s still making me laugh now.

Automation may well be the death of the city for work long term. They’ll probably just end up converting all the towers to residential and leisure. People will still want to live in cities. Not everyone fancies being bored to death having effectively chosen to socially and culturally retire aged 30.

More commitment and better strategy to tackle violent crime in London has been due for years. If that doesn’t happen this trend will simply continue

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 31 Dec 21 6.31pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Nah. Not short to medium term anyway. London, Paris and NY are very, very, different to Detroit.

All the people that rushed to buy 3+ hours train away from London and who work for major employers will for the most part live to regret their decision as over the next year or so they get called back in for a minimum of 3 days a week, in some cases 4 or 5…

The whole ‘permanent home working from now on’ made me laugh back then and it’s still making me laugh now.

Automation may well be the death of the city for work long term. They’ll probably just end up converting all the towers to residential and leisure. People will still want to live in cities. Not everyone fancies being bored to death having effectively chosen to socially and culturally retire aged 30.

More commitment and better strategy to tackle violent crime in London has been due for years. If that doesn’t happen this trend will simply continue

If you can work from home full time and your boss is happy with that what's to stop your job being done in India or Thailand?

Unfortunately some employees are playing into the hands of their bosses.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

If you can work from home full time and your boss is happy with that what's to stop your job being done in India or Thailand?

Unfortunately some employees are playing into the hands of their bosses.

Have a look at websites like this [Link]

Its already happening.

The logo for my business was made in Indonesia (courtesy in part from people on here who chucked me a bit of money something I am forever grateful for) & my website was built in Nigeria.

both projects were delivered within days of putting the order in.

Now if I could just get on with running my B&B in Slovakia without constantly being locked down due to Covid I could quit my job working nights for f***ing Amazon & living in someone's spare room in Wigan.

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Originally posted by Badger11

If you can work from home full time and your boss is happy with that what's to stop your job being done in India or Thailand?

Unfortunately some employees are playing into the hands of their bosses.

Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately the majority of jobs simply don’t work as well or at all, remotely.

Siloed, implementational digital work that requires little creativity or teamwork beyond the odd check in here and there, absolutely.

The majority of roles? Nope. I know of a few people directly and indirectly that are already regretting their knee jerk moves, and not all because of their company policy.

It should also be up to the company to decide whether your role is suited, long term, to isolated working. The last year has been a brilliant experiment to test out long held theories about remote working - and the results are in and in some industries they’re not particularly favourable.

Blended working, fine. Full time remote? In most instances. No. Sub optimal

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

If you can work from home full time and your boss is happy with that what's to stop your job being done in India or Thailand?

Unfortunately some employees are playing into the hands of their bosses.

Nothing , if you go to live in India or Thailand, or anyhwere for that matter.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately the majority of jobs simply don’t work as well or at all, remotely.

Siloed, implementational digital work that requires little creativity or teamwork beyond the odd check in here and there, absolutely.

The majority of roles? Nope. I know of a few people directly and indirectly that are already regretting their knee jerk moves, and not all because of their company policy.

It should also be up to the company to decide whether your role is suited, long term, to isolated working. The last year has been a brilliant experiment to test out long held theories about remote working - and the results are in and in some industries they’re not particularly favourable.

Blended working, fine. Full time remote? In most instances. No. Sub optimal

The bits in bold were what I was imagining to be the case.
I think a fair few employees have sucked-up the 'working from home' thing and probably milked it a bit- as human nature does.
It does however, make their role just a tad vulnerable. Some remote tasks could very well be undertaken by someone in a poorer economy. And although they probably couldn't take over the role completely, it would leave the employee open to potential redundancy and then to be re-hired on a reduced spec' contract with reduced pay.
The 'gig' economy, so vaunted by those in power, for those in menial jobs, may well be sneaking up the management ladder.

 


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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

The 'gig' economy, so vaunted by those in power, for those in menial jobs, may well be sneaking up the management ladder.


Recently started working at a pretty big Corporate set-up and it staggered me to find out just how few of the staff are employed directly by the parent company. Almost any and everything is effectively farmed out and whilst it all operates under a wider brand umbrella, including it has to be said many of the perks which are available to almost everybody from MD to the cleaners, I suspect it would not take much for the usual parasite management consultancy boys to effectively turn it into an almost 100% gig economy set up.

 


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Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Absolutely nothing. Unfortunately the majority of jobs simply don’t work as well or at all, remotely.

Siloed, implementational digital work that requires little creativity or teamwork beyond the odd check in here and there, absolutely.

The majority of roles? Nope. I know of a few people directly and indirectly that are already regretting their knee jerk moves, and not all because of their company policy.

It should also be up to the company to decide whether your role is suited, long term, to isolated working. The last year has been a brilliant experiment to test out long held theories about remote working - and the results are in and in some industries they’re not particularly favourable.

Blended working, fine. Full time remote? In most instances. No. Sub optimal

I lost my job to India back in 2002 ironically my job was to move the department from London to India so this turkey voted for Christmas.

Siloed is the correct description. Most people who do skilled office work will tell you it's impossible for those guys in India to do their job as they might be bright but don't have the experience or skill sets. Actually this is not true or how we did the move.

I worked in a department of 200 staff involved in Trade Finance, the staff would tell you it is quasi legal and you need to understand shipping and transport and UK and internal laws (UCP).

Actually not true when you break a people's job's down it mainly involves a lot grunt work and a small portion of technical expertise. The grunt work can be automated or farmed out to a cheap outsourcing company which leaves the technical knowledge.

We had one bloke in the department who had a lawyer's like technical knowledge, he is was also a mean drunk in the office and should have been sacked. However he had a job for life the rest of us were expendable he out of the 200 people was irreplaceable.

This was 20 years ago and I am out of touch but my guess is it still hold true you ship the grunt work to Asia just leaving the really technical stuff in London.

So the challenge is to redesign the work flow so that the grunt work goes to Asia whilst the small difficult stuff goes to the handful of real experts. In other words you dumb the jobs down.

Now of course this might impact productivity slightly as 1 knowledgeable person can do 100% of the job whilst a bright Asian may only be able to do 80%. However the employer doesn't care as he is saving a fortune on salaries and premises taxes etc.

I think a lot of people are in for a shock over the next few years because as SW19 has pointed out they have demonstrated to the boss their job can be done anywhere in the world.

Storm's a coming.

 


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Originally posted by Badger11

I lost my job to India back in 2002 ironically my job was to move the department from London to India so this turkey voted for Christmas.

Siloed is the correct description. Most people who do skilled office work will tell you it's impossible for those guys in India to do their job as they might be bright but don't have the experience or skill sets. Actually this is not true or how we did the move.

I worked in a department of 200 staff involved in Trade Finance, the staff would tell you it is quasi legal and you need to understand shipping and transport and UK and internal laws (UCP).

Actually not true when you break a people's job's down it mainly involves a lot grunt work and a small portion of technical expertise. The grunt work can be automated or farmed out to a cheap outsourcing company which leaves the technical knowledge.

We had one bloke in the department who had a lawyer's like technical knowledge, he is was also a mean drunk in the office and should have been sacked. However he had a job for life the rest of us were expendable he out of the 200 people was irreplaceable.

This was 20 years ago and I am out of touch but my guess is it still hold true you ship the grunt work to Asia just leaving the really technical stuff in London.

So the challenge is to redesign the work flow so that the grunt work goes to Asia whilst the small difficult stuff goes to the handful of real experts. In other words you dumb the jobs down.

Now of course this might impact productivity slightly as 1 knowledgeable person can do 100% of the job whilst a bright Asian may only be able to do 80%. However the employer doesn't care as he is saving a fortune on salaries and premises taxes etc.

I think a lot of people are in for a shock over the next few years because as SW19 has pointed out they have demonstrated to the boss their job can be done anywhere in the world.

Storm's a coming.

Glad I chose a manual trade. Can't fix a boiler without being in front of it

 

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Originally posted by cryrst

Glad I chose a manual trade. Can't fix a boiler without being in front of it

Funny you should say that. I grew up on a council estate just about every bloke could turn his hand to the usual odd jobs painting bit of woodwork change a washer etc however that was in the sixties.

Today most of us can't change a light bulb so we get a little man in. You made the right call the growth area is for people who have trades and better yet an odd job man. That is where the money and job security is, any kid who is good with his hands get into that, office work is no longer a job for life.

 


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