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View PalazioVecchio's Profile PalazioVecchio Flag south pole 16 Apr 19 5.28pm Send a Private Message to PalazioVecchio Add PalazioVecchio as a friend

Originally posted by Pussay Patrol

Racism is born out of ignorance and immaturity, both attributes being displayed on this thread


From What vegetable-patch are broken-records born ?

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 19 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I know exactly why you believe this but your attitude has very short term credibility which is quickly running out.

We all know about recent Black history in the West but the idea that one group has to retain guilt for this history and be deprived of racial pride while everyone else can freely express it is bonkers.

It is as racist as you can get.

Slavery and subsequent persecution of Black people was a symptom of the prevailing circumstances. It was a consequence of human behaviour that has probably existed since there have been humans. It was a tiny blip in the grand scheme of history.

If you think that one particular demographic should feel an endless responsibility for that and have to hang their heads till the end of time, then you are a lunatic.

Edited by Hrolf The Ganger (16 Apr 2019 5.05pm)

There is more than a hint of original sin to the idea of white guilt. It also ignores the fact that almost everyone else is descended from a long line of serfs and peasants rather than exploitative fat cats. If any of my ancestors exploited anyone they mustíve been spectacularly bad at it because they didnít leave me a pit to hiss in.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 16 Apr 19 5.42pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

From a few years ago...the pushers of 'white guilt' doing a bit of perverse physical enactment.

Whoever the parents of this child are they are a disgrace....child abuse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2019 5.44pm)

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 19 5.48pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

From a few years ago...the pushers of 'white guilt' doing a bit of perverse physical enactment.

Whoever the parents of this child are they are a disgrace....child abuse.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2019 5.44pm)

Bah. They used to do that to us at school for forgetting our PE kit.
Letís assume they havenít got any Zimbabwean farmers in their family.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 16 Apr 19 6.08pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Bah. They used to do that to us at school for forgetting our PE kit.
Letís assume they havenít got any Zimbabwean farmers in their family.

Historically part related to slave owners......The sins of the fathers visited onto the god knows how distant children.....and all voluntarily.....perverse.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Apr 19 6.13pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Historically part related to slave owners......The sins of the fathers visited onto the god knows how distant children.....and all voluntarily.....perverse.

Why idiots feel responsible for their ancestor's behaviour regarding anything is beyond me.

These people are loons.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag Wisbech, England 16 Apr 19 6.15pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why idiots feel responsible for their ancestor's behaviour regarding anything is beyond me.

These people are loons.

Obviously been listening to people like Wisbech....someone needs to give them the directions to Wakanda.

 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 16 Apr 19 6.26pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Obviously been listening to people like Wisbech....someone needs to give them the directions to Wakanda.

Giving them the number for a mental health clinic might serve them better.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 16 Apr 19 6.28pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Historically part related to slave owners......The sins of the fathers visited onto the god knows how distant children.....and all voluntarily.....perverse.

Well, yes. Why not also assume a relationship to abolitionists, charity workers and other saintly individuals then we could all feel good about ourselves.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 19 6.43pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well essentially you are on here stating that it's fine for black people to state 'black and proud' but there are 'racist attitudes' around saying 'white and proud'.

I'm ok for others to conclude as to where the 'racism' is there. The previous posts are there to read. I defend your right to hold hypocritical views on race if you want to....you certainly aren't alone. But you are rightly open to criticism for these views from the right....well, I know some on the left who wouldn't like them as well.

I asked you to tell me which Conservative in history has publicly stated your views on white people here. You failed to provide one.

I certainly can't think of one and that's even amongst the ridiculous collection we have at the moment.

Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Apr 2019 2.15pm)

I think you are talking complete nonsense. No-where have I suggested that I even have a view on white people because I don't, anymore than I have a view on black people. No public figure can express views that don't exist! All I have said is that the two claims need to be seen in context because context matters. Both could be racist, just as both might not be. It is though more understandable for those who have suffered exclusion and prejudice to try to raise their profile by reacting to that prejudice than it is for those from that part of the community who created that prejudice in the first place. Exactly the same would apply if, in a predominately black skinned country, white skinned people were previously marginalised. Historically though that doesn't seem to have happened does it?

"White and proud", as used today, communicates a distasteful message, even if you cannot recognise it, whilst "British and proud" does not. There is nothing hypocritical involved in facing up to the truth.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Why idiots feel responsible for their ancestor's behaviour regarding anything is beyond me.

These people are loons.

They need to watch the black historian seeing it for what it is. A historical passage of time and not an everlasting grudge, score to settle or to be ashamed of in generations before you were sperm.

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Online Flag Truro Cornwall 16 Apr 19 6.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Park Road

Why wouldn't you be proud to say it?
It originated from white kids emulating their black brothers.
Lauren Aitken and many other black Jamaican artists loved them and the skinheads loved their music back.
You're right in saying it isn't racist, but I'm confused on why you would not be proud.
Maybe, your sub culture history is not all there, or maybe its reggae and ska you don't approve of

I wouldn't be proud because I have no interest whatsoever in that type of culture. However, so long as they don't interfere with the lives of others that's OK with me.

 

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