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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Feb 20 10.49am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Clueless x 2 ^^^^^^^^^

 


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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 23 Feb 20 11.05am Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

Quite right and I'll add a bucketful of ignorance to that as well.

Would you care to elaborate on what they are ignorant of and please donít bang on about our current league position and how we have never had it so good? Are you convinced that our transfer policy/plans/performance are good? Do you think we have adequate succession planning in place for both manager and new players? Do you think we will be able to build our new stand ever with the current owners in control? Do you think our younger players are ever going to be filtered into the first team under the current set as opposed to signing new players as suggested by Parish? There are lots of unanswered questions which Parish managed to swerve altogether.

 

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View Midlands Eagle's Profile Midlands Eagle Flag 23 Feb 20 1.15pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops


Would you care to elaborate on what they are ignorant of

I think that you will find that "ignorance" simply means a difference of opinion to certain people

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Feb 20 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

This thing about stifling youth that keeps being raised has no substance.

Our u23s are bottom of their league and for anybody to be close to first team level they'll need to be standout.

If you know anybody involved in the National League they'll tell you how many players come on loan from Premier League clubs and struggle even at that level.

The one or two that have been blooded in cup games have done OK but no more than that.

 

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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 23 Feb 20 2.06pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Would you care to elaborate on what they are ignorant of and please donít bang on about our current league position and how we have never had it so good? Are you convinced that our transfer policy/plans/performance are good? Do you think we have adequate succession planning in place for both manager and new players? Do you think we will be able to build our new stand ever with the current owners in control? Do you think our younger players are ever going to be filtered into the first team under the current set as opposed to signing new players as suggested by Parish? There are lots of unanswered questions which Parish managed to swerve altogether.

The word ignorant I used was solely for the performances of our players when taking into consideration the form, confidence and injuries our manager has had to deal with with players in vital positions, I feel Mr Hodgson has done a marvelous job controlling all these issues and this can be seen with the points we have so is factual, everything else you mention is basically speculation.

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Sutton Coldfield 23 Feb 20 2.29pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

This thing about stifling youth that keeps being raised has no substance.

Our u23s are bottom of their league and for anybody to be close to first team level they'll need to be standout.

If you know anybody involved in the National League they'll tell you how many players come on loan from Premier League clubs and struggle even at that level.

The one or two that have been blooded in cup games have done OK but no more than that.

EXACTLY. it was noteworthy that SP spoke about the younger teams (U16s etc) as having promising players. I reckon apart from Pierrick and a couple of others who have trained/are training with the first team squad, there may not be anything exciting in the pipeline for a couple of years or so during which time we will have to manage with our ageing squad and possibly a few new younger additions over the coming windows.

 

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View NEILLO's Profile NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 23 Feb 20 2.40pm Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Would you care to elaborate on what they are ignorant of and please donít bang on about our current league position and how we have never had it so good? Are you convinced that our transfer policy/plans/performance are good? Do you think we have adequate succession planning in place for both manager and new players? Do you think we will be able to build our new stand ever with the current owners in control? Do you think our younger players are ever going to be filtered into the first team under the current set as opposed to signing new players as suggested by Parish? There are lots of unanswered questions which Parish managed to swerve altogether.

Football is a results business. Looking at our league position and points tally I think we are roughly around where we deserve to be from a performance and strength of squad perspective. In fact I think the manager deserves credit for getting us this far with the available resources .

In terms of a transfer policy, I'm not seeing signs that there is one. The long ago stated aim of buying young players with potential and therefore a decent sell on value never materialised. Then came the expensive ( Benteke, Sakho ) purchases that have not delivered value for money although both felt right at the time. Succession planning for players is difficult given the average turnover of managers at most clubs, and succession planning for managers is virtually unheard of and subject to change. I bet City fans thought Arteta was a shoe in to replace Pep at some point.

Younger players being fast tracked into the first team won't happen unless the Academy is invested in to make Palace more competitive for the talent that they are currently missing out on. So I get the investment in that, it needs to happen.

To me it sounded like the stadium redevelopment hinges on doing a deal with Sainsburys ( that's assuming funding is available ). I would contend that the deal with them should have been agreed at least in principle before Parish revealed the plans for the new stand.

It's difficult not to be cynical about Parish's interview given that it was conducted ' in house '. A more probing set of questions by an independent journalist may have teased more out of him.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 23 Feb 20 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by MikeCrete

Originally posted by Rachid Rachid Rachid

Who do you consider our better players technically ?
Meyer is a five a side player with no legs and a limited range of passing who couldn't impose himself against ten man Grimsby. Riedewald slightly better but limited athleticism and Camarasa a sick note who fvcked about from the word go.[/quo
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We have never seen Meyer play in the hole behind a number 9, Camarasa was never given a chance, yet scored more goals for Cardiff last season than our entire forwards/midfielders Almost combined. Hodgson is the reason & wasting any more money on him or his choices is pointless, literally. I have never seen a worse few years of palace playing a home & really don't see any other way to make my point other than non attendence. We need to attack tomorrow & against Watford from the start; we are real danger of going down if we lose tomorrow.

Agree with this plus didn't Roy say Reidewald is one of the most gifted players he has coached? Not digging out Roy but we have gifted players that just doesn't suit his system, I hope we dont lose them.
Meyer had most interceptions in the Bundesliga so maybe he was Cabaye's replacement given the chance and played in the right position

 

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View Rachid Rachid Rachid's Profile Rachid Rachid Rachid Flag 23 Feb 20 3.37pm Send a Private Message to Rachid Rachid Rachid Add Rachid Rachid Rachid as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Agree with this plus didn't Roy say Reidewald is one of the most gifted players he has coached? Not digging out Roy but we have gifted players that just doesn't suit his system, I hope we dont lose them.
Meyer had most interceptions in the Bundesliga so maybe he was Cabaye's replacement given the chance and played in the right position


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Meyer's stats wrt to goals and assists in the Bundesliga in the two years prior to joining us weren't very good although prolific when he was younger.

Seen nothing to suggest he has the attributes to play no 10 ie passing range, ability to lose his man, shooting, crossing

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 23 Feb 20 4.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Tickled pink

The word ignorant I used was solely for the performances of our players when taking into consideration the form, confidence and injuries our manager has had to deal with with players in vital positions, I feel Mr Hodgson has done a marvelous job controlling all these issues and this can be seen with the points we have so is factual, everything else you mention is basically speculation.

Youíve excused Parish but now youíre awarding mega praise to Roy because of what Parish has and hasnít done, on several occasions, over and over again, and now he has a manager who doesnít walk, well.....

Care to explain?

 


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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 23 Feb 20 4.44pm Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Bangell

Some of it is. But our recruitment has been inarguably poor since promotion: we've overpaid on ageing players with no resale value, failed to sign young players (this is because it might stop our own from coming through? really??), and created an imbalanced squad with too few creative players. We need to change the profile of the players we sign, and we need to improve our scouting so that we can identify better players. That should have been done by now.

Those are reasonable criticisms, and lumping them in with the demands of the screaming morons on Twitter is one of the ways that the video deflects criticism.

im not sure our recruitment has been that bad has it? yes benteke was expensive but he was signed at 25? sakho signed at 27? only had 2 big money signings most of the rest between 8m -12m.

with those signings we have never been in a proper relegation scrap since promotion & finished mid-table more often than not, so surely actually recuitment cant have been that bad.

yes, our squad is ageing but its a decent PL squad and it looks like we are going to start sorting that out in the summer.

maybe its just me...but i am proud the club is run in a sustainable manner, and it should be something that is lauded.

 


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View Tickled pink's Profile Tickled pink Flag Cornwall 23 Feb 20 4.45pm Send a Private Message to Tickled pink Add Tickled pink as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Youíve excused Parish but now youíre awarding mega praise to Roy because of what Parish has and hasnít done, on several occasions, over and over again, and now he has a manager who doesnít walk, well.....

Care to explain?

You write as if we were relegated two seasons ago from this league and are now falling into the third tier and oblivion.
We have two players who should have been well able to steady our ship both at opposite ends and both failing miserably to do anything, injury, luck and confidence has contributed to making Parish look worse then he is and I'm not mentioning all the other players we have tried our luck on and as to date had very little in return, we can only gamble with players even the two I mentioned who were actually brought in as the finished article and at a cost that is quite possibly the reason for most of your anger, Gayle was a gamble he looked great at Peterborough and at times looked great with us but it has been proved that he cannot quite step up for the rough and tumble of this league sad as it is Meyer looks to be in the same book ..he has been given enough opportunities to shine.

Whatever Parish does is to a large degree a gamble, look at West Ham and the games they have to play, awful situation bet they wish they had Mr Hodgson.

 

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