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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 08 Aug 19 6.54pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by W12

Noting that 18% also state "terrorism" as their primary concern it's not beyond the realms to think that many of those would also state immigration as very high on their list (although obviously that view would be somehow racist).

You could also argue that the economic situation is exacerbated by mass immigration, it's making the debt mountain much bigger due to the huge cost of social care and climate change is certainly not being helped by moving huge numbers of people from a 3rd to first world carbon footprint. Then you are pretty much covering everything on that list.

But then again people will either deliberately or automatically conflate "blaming the immigrants" with "blaming immigration" and we go back to square one.

The thing that most people seem to be unaware of is the extent to which capitalism (even with all it's clear faults that need reforming) and the products and technology it has produced are dragging the world out of poverty. Very few seem to understand this hence the push for socialism in the west. Under socialism the whole world will suffer.

The middle and working classes, those who truly drive any given economy, have been decimated for the past 30yrs or so pushing many closer to ''poverty'' despite all of the ''products and technology'' you mention.

Very few seem to understand that it's 'crony capitalism' and not solely 'capitalism'. There's a huge difference.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I realise the "official" definition is that but........

If you define it that way you produce a distortion of the causes of the events which hit the headlines and are of the most concern to the majority of people.

It's the large scale events which attract the attention. Ones where automatic weapons are used in schools, churches, malls or nightclubs to mow people down indiscriminately.

Smaller events involving inter gang rivalries and domestic violence, whilst of great concern, cannot be considered in the same category. They have different causes and are committed by different people.

So we need to separate them to try to produce any meaningful solutions.

Large scale mass shootings in the USA are committed almost exclusively by white men.

By the way you will recall what Mark Twain said about "Lies, damn lies and statistics".

It seems quite appropriate given another comment!

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Aug 2019 6.05pm)

Remember your 2nd paragraph wissy.
I hope you can attribute that to all things.
Racism and the levels of.(a joke or a beating)
Sex offenders and the levels of (an unwanted cuddle and a rape)
Speeders and the level of.(35 in a 30 or 95 in a 40).
The list is infinite.
Be careful you dont paint yourself into a corner with this one.
4 deaths is a mass killing as defined by the US law makers. No matter when where or how.
You cant have it both ways.

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 08 Aug 19 7.50pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I realise the "official" definition is that but........

If you define it that way you produce a distortion of the causes of the events which hit the headlines and are of the most concern to the majority of people.

It's the large scale events which attract the attention. Ones where automatic weapons are used in schools, churches, malls or nightclubs to mow people down indiscriminately.

Smaller events involving inter gang rivalries and domestic violence, whilst of great concern, cannot be considered in the same category. They have different causes and are committed by different people.

So we need to separate them to try to produce any meaningful solutions.

Large scale mass shootings in the USA are committed almost exclusively by white men.

By the way you will recall what Mark Twain said about "Lies, damn lies and statistics".

It seems quite appropriate given another comment!

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (08 Aug 2019 6.05pm)

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

Sadly you'll never understand.


 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Aug 19 8.02pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

It's quite of amusing that this guy comes up with 'Lies, damn lies and statistics'.....Twain said it of course but it didn't originate with him....Which Twain said himself at the time.....But what does this guy tell you....He comes up with Twain....it's typical of most of what he pushes on here...half truths and wish fulfillment.

But that's the point.....the easily fooled both believe and promote in error.....and some are just bare faced liars and exploiters.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2019 8.06pm)

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 08 Aug 19 8.39pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

It's quite amusing that this guy comes up with 'Lies, damn lies and statistics'.....Twain said it of course but it didn't originate with him....Which Twain said himself at the time.....But what does this guy tell you....He comes up with Twain....it's typical of most of what he pushes on here...half truths and wish fulfillment.

But that's the point.....the easily fooled both believe and promote in error.....and some are just bare faced liars and exploiters.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Aug 2019 8.06pm)

No, it's sad tbf given his age.

 


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Originally posted by cryrst

Remember your 2nd paragraph wissy.
I hope you can attribute that to all things.
Racism and the levels of.(a joke or a beating)
Sex offenders and the levels of (an unwanted cuddle and a rape)
Speeders and the level of.(35 in a 30 or 95 in a 40).
The list is infinite.
Be careful you dont paint yourself into a corner with this one.
4 deaths is a mass killing as defined by the US law makers. No matter when where or how.
You cant have it both ways.

I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations.

4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary.

So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.31pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

"It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled".

Sadly you'll never understand.


I trust you will remember that next time Trump, Johnson, or any of their apologists, open their mouths.

Sadly there are a huge number of self righteous fools thinking they understand everything posting here who actually don't have one foot standing on solid ground. I am so glad I am not among them!

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 08 Aug 19 9.35pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations.

4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary.

So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort.

Were you this vocal re- Mass Killings when Obama was in power?

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

No, it's sad tbf given his age.

It's actually very much sadder that, when faced with an irrefutable argument, the weak minded feel that their only available response is to attack the poster, with totally irrelevant remarks, rather than address the points.

It shows to me just how much the quality of the thinking here has diminished.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 08 Aug 19 9.44pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by .TUX.

Were you this vocal re- Mass Killings when Obama was in power?

I don't think I was involved in this forum during Obama's time but I have always argued for stricter gun controls and said so on forums where gun ownership is defended at all cost. I remain a member of a few and continue to debate with, and be insulted by, the members there.

Who is the POTUS has no bearing on that.

 

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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I will comment on individual events on their individual merits and not in sweeping generalisations.

4 deaths being a mass killing is NOT so defined by the US law. Definitions vary.

So everything you say is a waste of space, time and effort.

Four deaths is the number used by the Gun Violence Archive. Does the figure matter? There are dead people and bereaved families whatever the total.

 

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View .TUX.'s Profile .TUX. Flag 08 Aug 19 10.02pm Send a Private Message to .TUX. Add .TUX. as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It's actually very much sadder that, when faced with an irrefutable argument, the weak minded feel that their only available response is to attack the poster, with totally irrelevant remarks, rather than address the points.

It shows to me just how much the quality of the thinking here has diminished.

With all due respect, you're describing yourself.

 


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