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 Badger11  Beckenham 18 Dec 19 5.21pm |
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Originally posted by DANGERCLOSE
Labour seem to believe that their huge election defeat was because the general public didn't understand their message. However their huge election defeat occurred because the general public absolutely understood their message and voted accordingly. Their new leader should be someone that grasps that simple fact. It doesn't appear that any of the current candidates do.
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| Hrolf The Ganger 18 Dec 19 5.51pm |
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Originally posted by Spiderman
Richard Burgon on Politics Live today was hilarious. He just couldn't see that Corbyn was the problem and even stated JC should have sued The Sun for the lies they posted about him. When asked by the bloke from The Sun if JC had invited Gerry Adams to Parliament 4 days after the Brighton bombing, he refused to answer. Burgon for leader. Is he fast becoming the biggest t*** in the Labour Party?
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| W12 18 Dec 19 8.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Is he fast becoming the biggest t*** in the Labour Party? "Like handing out speeding tickets in the Indy 500"
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| Stirlingsays 18 Dec 19 9.07pm |
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Some people are predicting the demise of the Labour party...Blair issuing warnings..I think that's all a bit dramatic and that it's always easy to over-read these things. Personalities play a big part in elections and this time around you had a popular Tory leader and an unpopular Labour one. It doesn't change the equation much with the parties though as essentially it's difficult to see Labour winning again while they espouse these social and economic policies with a dud leader. Unless they emerge with a popular new leader or Johnson steps down or keels over.....it looks set fair for now. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2019 9.07pm)
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| Matov 18 Dec 19 10.35pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Some people are predicting the demise of the Labour party...Blair issuing warnings..I think that's all a bit dramatic and that it's always easy to over-read these things.
Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2019 9.07pm) Not so sure myself. Problem is you two sides, each with a validish excuse for why the election went so horribly wrong. The Corbies blame the second referendum stance whilst the Blairites blame Corbyn. And they are both 50% right. Meaning they will simply not be able to ever reach common ground. They loathe each other and think the other is to blame whilst being unable to face up to their own role in it. Throw in the grip that Momentum now has on the internal power structure whilst the Blairites can rely on a huge amount of sympathetic voices from outside and you have a recipe for utter mayhem. The only single reason they might survive is that the one thing they all have in common is that they are power crazy pricks. And the only way they achieve their ambitions is via our FPTP system. Which they need a party political structure to exist within and having seen the glorious f*** up that the Change UK lot were, then I suspect they might not be so keen on striking out. But whatever happens the next few months are going to be LOLZ. Looking forward to it!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 19 10.24am |
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A question for those of you who delve more deeper than I do. In 2017 we were told the yuff turned out for Corbyn I would be interested to know if those same voters 2 years older changed their mind in any great numbers. My politics changed massively from my first election in 1979 to the next in 1983. Anyway I suspect that the pollsters are still delving into the details but it would be interesting to know.
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| chris123 hove actually 19 Dec 19 10.39am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
A question for those of you who delve more deeper than I do. In 2017 we were told the yuff turned out for Corbyn I would be interested to know if those same voters 2 years older changed their mind in any great numbers. My politics changed massively from my first election in 1979 to the next in 1983. Anyway I suspect that the pollsters are still delving into the details but it would be interesting to know. Was that driven by a belief that university finance and loans would cease.
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| Midlands Eagle 19 Dec 19 11.00am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
In 2017 we were told the yuff turned out for Corbyn I would be interested to know if those same voters 2 years older changed their mind in any great numbers.
I think that many of them probably didn't bother to vote this time as it was raining
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 19 11.10am |
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Originally posted by chris123
Was that driven by a belief that university finance and loans would cease. Good point hopefully the pollsters will clarify who voted what and why.
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| Stirlingsays 19 Dec 19 11.57am |
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Originally posted by Matov
Not so sure myself. Problem is you two sides, each with a validish excuse for why the election went so horribly wrong. The Corbies blame the second referendum stance whilst the Blairites blame Corbyn. And they are both 50% right. Meaning they will simply not be able to ever reach common ground. They loathe each other and think the other is to blame whilst being unable to face up to their own role in it. Throw in the grip that Momentum now has on the internal power structure whilst the Blairites can rely on a huge amount of sympathetic voices from outside and you have a recipe for utter mayhem. The only single reason they might survive is that the one thing they all have in common is that they are power crazy pricks. And the only way they achieve their ambitions is via our FPTP system. Which they need a party political structure to exist within and having seen the glorious f*** up that the Change UK lot were, then I suspect they might not be so keen on striking out. But whatever happens the next few months are going to be LOLZ. Looking forward to it! Me too! I agree, it's not just Corbyn and it's not just Brexit: it's both. Of the two it's obvious that Brexit was the main driver....it made up the vast majority of the Tory campaign and that would have been mostly based upon focus group data. I suppose the implicit point I'm making is that personalities play a larger role in general elections than people realize. That allied with Labour leavers reinforcing the Brexit mandate in the north did for Labour. I think the 'for the many, not the few' tagline did well for Labour in 2017 when the stiff and robotic May was their opposition but come 2019 that message was had lost it's shine and Boris that much more popular with 'floating voters'.
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| DanH SW2 19 Dec 19 12.05pm |
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Be interesting when Brexit has happened and people that voted for it to be 'done' realise it's anything but and how the repercussions transpire. Think the political ground will look very different in 5 years time. If we get that far without another election.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 19 Dec 19 12.11pm |
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Originally posted by DanH
Be interesting when Brexit has happened and people that voted for it to be 'done' realise it's anything but and how the repercussions transpire. Think the political ground will look very different in 5 years time. If we get that far without another election. None of us can predict the future but you are right if Brexit is judged a failure the Tories will get a kicking. So it's up to Johnson to ensure it's a success if he wants to be re-elected.
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