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View Crystal_Clear's Profile Crystal_Clear Flag Belfast 22 Dec 19 7.22am Send a Private Message to Crystal_Clear Add Crystal_Clear as a friend

From a conversation I had yesterday, this was apparently discussed on Sky Sports.

With Roy continuing to perform miracles with a non existent transfer budget, aging squad and only creative wanting out, what happens when decides to call it a day ?

We have the ingredients to fall like clubs such as Sunderland and Stoke.

Unless we get bought out or start planning post Roy, we could be falling rapidly.

 

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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 22 Dec 19 7.58am Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

I think we’re a long way from disaster .. we have real issues with Tekkers and Sako bleeding huge amounts of £ from the club and no prospect of any return on the ‘investment’.

Wilf will surely be going in the summer and still zero back up in place. The squad is paper thin and only a credible starting 15 or so players out of the squad.

The academy is producing nothing apart from AWB who we had to sell to service the club debt, little prospect of anyone else. We have players on the books that never get into the starting 11 regardless of how bad we need them.

Roy, maybe one more season? No £ for players, ground improvements shelved, our part owners from across the pond showing zero interest.

It’s not all roses round the front door, but we’re mid table so should secure another season in the premier greed, which is pretty much a poison chalice, hopefully if we do drop out we have contracts in place with players that reflect the new financial position otherwise our wage bill will cripple the club in one season

 

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View becky's Profile becky Flag over the moon 22 Dec 19 8.03am Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

From a conversation I had yesterday, this was apparently discussed on Sky Sports.

With Roy continuing to perform miracles with a non existent transfer budget, aging squad and only creative wanting out, what happens when decides to call it a day ?

We have the ingredients to fall like clubs such as Sunderland and Stoke.

Unless we get bought out or start planning post Roy, we could be falling rapidly.

Therein lies the conundrum for me......how do you plan for post-Roy? Start buying players now, and they could well be an expensive mistake if they do not fit with the plans/style of any new manager. Using up what funds are available to buy more additions to the bench warmers would be stupid.

Don't buy, and you will have trouble attracting a decent replacement for Roy, and even if you do then he would only have a severely restricted amount of time to find players to suit him and the team.

A real chicken and egg situation - but agree that something needs to be done. Maybe once we unload some more of the 'dead wood' purchases?

 


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View Goal Machine's Profile Goal Machine Flag The Cronx 22 Dec 19 8.29am Send a Private Message to Goal Machine Add Goal Machine as a friend

Hopefully when Roy does call it a day, he’ll inform the board of his intentions after we have secured our survival with about 5 games to go. We’ll need to change our style for sure as when Wilf goes we’ve got no way of scoring.

That will give the new manager a a few games at the end of the season plus a full pre season to bed in the new tactics.

I agree that what’s going on currently is unsustainable. Once Sakho, Benteke and Wilf go, some kind of unofficial salary cap would be helpful.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 19 8.31am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

No.

 


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View braunstoneagle's Profile braunstoneagle Flag the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 22 Dec 19 8.46am Send a Private Message to braunstoneagle Add braunstoneagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

No.

agreed, we are fine, we will be fine.

hopefully we have another 2 years of roy at the helm.

 


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View sickboy's Profile sickboy Flag Deal or Croydon 22 Dec 19 8.52am Send a Private Message to sickboy Add sickboy as a friend

Originally posted by Crystal_Clear

From a conversation I had yesterday, this was apparently discussed on Sky Sports.

With Roy continuing to perform miracles with a non existent transfer budget, aging squad and only creative wanting out, what happens when decides to call it a day ?

We have the ingredients to fall like clubs such as Sunderland and Stoke.

Unless we get bought out or start planning post Roy, we could be falling rapidly.

Discussion on sky sports.
I presume, i may be wrong, you are talking of the brains trust that is Stelling , Merson, Le Tiss, Nicholas and Thomspson.
In which case no need to worry.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 19 9.05am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

agreed, we are fine, we will be fine.

hopefully we have another 2 years of roy at the helm.

Even if we were relegated next season the club is on a far better footing than when I joined Hol.

No disasters, just Palace as usual.

 


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View kev64's Profile kev64 Flag Cambs 22 Dec 19 9.33am Send a Private Message to kev64 Add kev64 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Even if we were relegated next season the club is on a far better footing than when I joined Hol.

No disasters, just Palace as usual.

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 22 Dec 19 9.38am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by kev64

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Football clubs are slowly destroying themselves, with the most money ever seen in the top tiers, expenditure exceeds income by tens of millions. If clubs were a high st business they would be long gone.

No different to nations then.

 


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View Booted Eagle's Profile Booted Eagle Flag Bristol 22 Dec 19 9.51am Send a Private Message to Booted Eagle Add Booted Eagle as a friend

Disaster, you mean relegation to the Championship ? Looking at that league recently and teams dropping down it will be tough but not impossible to bounce back quickly. Further back it seemed to be a lot easier but there are now lots of teams who have been up and down and it is a real scrap. One things for sure you have to be financially ready as it could easily cripple the club. Can't see Roy not giving good notice unlike a few previous managers. There does seem to be some decent young managers around who have come from the Championship and doing pretty well in the PL. Hate to say it but the Weeds have one, Sheff U as well. There are also a few good players in that league as well but we never seem to tap into it here. In regards to Wilf, remember we didn't have him for one season or so in the PL but still managed to stay up with a well drilled defense and gutsy squad but also an experienced manager in these scenarios which are now in short supply for us as we seem to have exhausted those possibilities. The worry is that the one man team snowball engulfs the club like a stone around our neck and drags us down. Of course a lot will depend on how the squad is reshaped after his departure, which may well be this summer. Overall the next appointment as manager may well be crucial.

 


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Despite our a fairly healthy points total for this stage of the season I think we have been skating on thin ice. How many convincing performances have we put on this season? Even when we win it inevitably tends to be by a very narrow margin.

Okay, you might argue a win is a win so what's the issue? But, the trouble is, having a bit of success by scraping points with your backs to the wall can work for a while but you are only a couple of steps from things going the other way i.e against you.

The chances are we will scrape through again this season, but without some change in our player recruitment policy , coaching, game strategy and style of play, our luck will run out.

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