It would depend on the amount its set at I suppose. Trump did get gigantic tax breaks to corporations, but I'd certainly be against anything that took money out of the pockets of an average or even successful individual.

Success is greed to a socialist.
When it happens you wont hear as it's bad news.
Republicans are going to get bank accounts closed, sacked from jobs and more. It will be a free for all but you wont hear a word. If you dont think this is going to happen fair enough but everyone who wanted trump is a little bit tainted sadly.
Democracy is wonderful if it's your colour rosette.
The healing is all bullcrap.

We might have a new President in the USA but we still have the same old bs from the usual suspects on the Hol.

The world might be breathing a sigh of relief and looking forward to a new era free of Trumpism being pushed in their face all the time, but on the Hol nothing changes.

I am looking forward to the new administration actually doing things which matter. Like dealing with the worst pandemic in living memory, handling the economic fallout so that the poorest are protected and facing up to the reality of climate change and showing some leadership.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

Veritas numquam perit, sed sine actione rem non modo

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Jan 2021 3.32am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Honestly, there is no evidence of any of this. I'm not saying that in a 'told you so' kind of way either, just that as statement of fact what you are saying has zero truth to it and there is no evidence for it other than nonsense posted online. You've been misled and if this is something you chose to keep believing, you'll be following others down the rabbithole for another four years waiting for it. Not time well spent.

I'd say it goes something like this..

Firstly, Trump spewed out relentless, intentional mistruths on a scale almost unheard of. Often they didn't even really align well with one another because they would be based solely on what was in his personal interest at the time. It was 'next level'. Something would be 'true' one day, 'false' (or 'a joke', or changed in some way) the next. Therefore there was a big element of 'trust me on this' and 'blind faith' to it all. No lie was too small to make either. Even a misspelling like 'Covfefe' couldn't be stated as such and had to have some kind of hidden meaning.

Secondly, for all of the talk of 'fake news' and of course news media have an agenda too and are not unvarnished truth by any stretch, there at least is a component of verifiability and journalistic values to some degree. It's more the 'focus' that is the bias. The relentless 'fake news' mantra by Trump, was actually to make people less believing of stories that emerged about him that were negative (not necessarily untrue). This loosening of reality ("What you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening" ) was drummed into people daily to downgrade inconvenient facts when needed, and to encourage just 'adhering', 'going with it' instead of ever analysing anything. With some it went to cult-like lengths and the relentless nature of it meant that even relatively 'normal' people were influenced to a noteworthy extent by self serving pushed fantasies.

The above two factors loosening perception of reality, as well as personal levels of susceptibility and indeed curiosity is what has led to the high number of people we're seeing now stranded in their own personal hinterland. It made room for people to buy into ever more fanciful ideas where Trump was the hero of the piece. Of course it would be fair to say that believing in 'any' ideology involves downgrading inconvenient facts and voices, but there are still degrees, and things that definitely are based somewhat in ongoing realities and others that simply aren't, and the whole 'Q' thing with endless wildly out there predictions that never actually come about is an example of the latter. People have been 'led down the garden path' as they say.

Edited by BlueJay (21 Jan 2021 7.05am)

Thank goodness yesterday passed off peacefully.

As for Qanon I wonder if he was a wind up by a Democrat supporter. If he really believed all that BS why the "go back to your lives comment"?

Hopefully things will calm down now and America politics will get back to some sort of normality. If Trump wants to form a third party I wouldn't be surprised since the Tea Party a big chunk of the Republican party has not been happy and maybe they need to split.

One more point