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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Jan 21 6.16pm

Originally posted by cryrst


As none can see the future we are all guessing.
As for laughing it appears ok to laugh at trump supporters and the man himself and usa election predictions but not use a decades old saying.
On covid again I cannot see the future so write what I think. Too many see none here none speak none in society! Mainly through a fear of being either wrong or pilloried for an opinion which they ordinarily should be allowed to give.

I just looked odd to have the 'last laugh' at such a grim death laden scenario. It was just the wording really, no big concern! And yes we should all laugh at politicians, they are all feathering their own nest. The principled ones more often than not never make it to positions of power, on account that they're not compromised or can't be bought off. But yes, you're right to speak your mind no matter what you have to say!

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Jan 21 6.16pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by nead1

What an extraordinary post Cryst! I don't have any "troop" - my opinions are just that, my own. As to your comments about future wars in the ME, the most likely source of any problems in that region will be related to Israel - a big US/Trump ally. Let's see what unfolds and get back in touch in 2 years time!

No more extraordinary than than yours tbh.
If half of america support him and his policies are you really high enough to make them all wrong? Clearly they feel he has worked in their interests.
Israel has always in some form been an ally to the west in the last 50 years so not really a point.
I hope also that it isnt two years until further communication nead.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 09 Jan 21 6.24pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

I just looked odd to have the 'last laugh' at such a grim death laden scenario. It was just the wording really, no big concern! And yes we should all laugh at politicians, they are all feathering their own nest. The principled ones more often than not never make it to positions of power, on account that they're not compromised or can't be bought off. But yes, you're right to speak your mind no matter what you have to say!

Tbh I have got in trouble more than once for saying what I think so I will square that with in the company around you and subject matter .
Tbh I think boris is very principled as a politician he just tries to run with the hound and play with the fox. No can do especially in his position. He should do what's good for the majority not the ones who shout loudest or post on the net the most!

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Jan 21 6.30pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Tbh I have got in trouble more than once for saying what I think so I will square that with in the company around you and subject matter .
Tbh I think boris is very principled as a politician he just tries to run with the hound and play with the fox. No can do especially in his position. He should do what's good for the majority not the ones who shout loudest or post on the net the most!

Yes, hindsight is wonderful thing, and it's easy in an ever changing situation to imagine that we'd have known better. I do think he should've flip flopped less and acted with more conviction, but I certainly don't envy him for the position he's in.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 09 Jan 21 6.33pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

It's false to state that in anything like a definitive way. Multiple polls suggest that the majority of Americans want him removed from power immediately.

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or that his popularity has fallen

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as does the realclearpolitics poll aggregator and so on

You're painting something in such a way that you either should or do know is not accurate.


Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2021 5.55pm)

This is a link to an average of polls, showing him on 41.9 percent yesterday.

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If you look at polls underneath you will see a wide variance with some of the polls touching even 50 percent for Trump.

Considering the near one way traffic of media bias against him it's impressive.

So what I said is basically true, there wasn't much reaction to his numbers from this event. It even proved popular in some polls.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2021 6.34pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Jan 21 6.51pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

This is a link to an average of polls, showing him on 41.9 percent yesterday.

[Link]

If you look at polls underneath you will see a wide variance with some of the polls touching even 50 percent for Trump.

So what I said is basically true, there wasn't much reaction to his numbers from this event. It even proved popular in some polls.

I'll have a look! ..

As the riot happened on the 6th these I assume are the polls of relevance (attached).

They have on the page resulted in his approval rating dropping over the past few days. Not considerably though, and it's weighted towards number of polls really, so I suppose the direction of travel can be ascertained when more come in. Maybe the twitter banning will level things out as that appears to have moved events on a little.

Polls do suggest that half of Republicans are very unhappy at recent events (why a majority of Americans it appears may want Trump removed). At the same time though, it does appear to take heaven and earth to change party allegiance or change a long held view so it will be interesting to see polls over the next week or so. It will be interesting to see how the Republican party rebuilds or adapts going forward, especially with Trump commentating on the sidelines.

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Originally posted by BlueJay

I'll have a look! ..

As the riot happened on the 6th these I assume are the polls of relevance (attached).

They have on the page resulted in his approval rating dropping over the past few days. Not considerably though, and it's weighted towards number of polls really, so I suppose the direction of travel can be ascertained when more come in. Maybe the twitter banning will level things out as that appears to have moved events on a little.

Polls do suggest that half of Republicans are very unhappy at recent events (why a majority of Americans it appears may want Trump removed). At the same time though, it does appear to take heaven and earth to change party allegiance or change a long held view so it will be interesting to see polls over the next week or so. It will be interesting to see how the Republican party rebuilds or adapts going forward, especially with Trump commentating on the sidelines.

I showed a Gallop poll on here yesterday showing 45/43 approval amongst republicans for events at the capitol.

And considering Trump didn't even approve of those events I'll regard my original contention as quite safe.

And again....considering the massive political and constant media barrage against him I'll be surprised if there is any significant dent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2021 7.03pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Jan 21 7.24pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I showed a Gallop poll on here yesterday showing 45/43 approval amongst republicans for events at the capitol.

And considering Trump didn't even approve of those events I'll regard my original contention as quite safe.

And again....considering the massive political and constant media barrage against him I'll be surprised if there is any significant dent.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2021 7.03pm)

Yes, it sounds like he was absolutely devastated and just couldn't see how it had come to this .


 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

Yes, it sounds like he was absolutely devastated and just couldn't see how it had come to this .


I would think he would have been a bit concerned for the security he knew there but also initially pleased at the power he has.

He has genuine power that doesn't require orders to military.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 09 Jan 21 7.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I would think he would have been a bit concerned for the security he knew there but also initially pleased at the power he has.

He has genuine power that doesn't require orders to military.

I didn't think it had anything to do with him?

 

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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

On the Brexit thread when you said it’s the responsibility of politicians to do what they think is best rather than what the electorate want. That’s what Trump has done.

What I said was, and is, that our MPs are not delegates but representatives. As such they must use their collective judgements to decide what they believe is in our best interests.

That's not the same as one individual just acting on his own personal beliefs, which is what Trump does. The analogy would be better employed for members of the Congress than for a President.

Edited by Wisbech Eagle (09 Jan 2021 7.58pm)

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

I didn't think it had anything to do with him?

Ha!

 


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