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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

'Live As A Nomad'? The Arabs?

If I want to eat some sand I'll get down to the beach on a windy day.

Anyway the history of those people don't exactly fit into modern, let alone post modern mindsets Maple me old syrup.

I worked with Anthony Willoughby on one of Fred Goodwin’s acquisition integrations

This stuff worked really well. A pan-Scandinavian financing business based its future - highly successful - strategy on our workshop.

He used to invite a senior Masai tribesman to help guide the discussion.

Who always had a devil of a job getting his spear through airport security.

[Link]


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Good news

Maggie Throup finally appears

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And what a cracker. Brilliant interview on Sky News.

 

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Originally posted by Mapletree

I worked with Anthony Willoughby on one of Fred Goodwin’s acquisition integrations

This stuff worked really well. A pan-Scandinavian financing business based its future - highly successful - strategy on our workshop.

He used to invite a senior Masai tribesman to help guide the discussion.

Who always had a devil of a job getting his spear through airport security.

[Link]


Edited by Mapletree (04 Jan 2022 9.57pm)

Sounds a little poverty p00rn to me.

Fred Goodwin eh.

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

It seems different now. The variants are declining in their ability to produce severe reactions, even if increasing in transmissibility. We are learning all the time where to set the balance. Once the NHS is able to function without too many problems the brakes will be eased off I think.

Back to Truro next week, hope I dont get the virus from all those friendly Cornish folk.....may even bump into you at the bowls club...lol

 

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In reply to the contention pushed by various commentators on these boards that the NHS is in all singing consensus and that only luddites argue against covid polices I present the link below.

The view given that there was no major disagreement was always untrue....and one I countered only to receive the usual criticism, even when I showed that disagreement existed at the highest level...noble prize winning level no less. That still was demonised.

[Link]

What is true is far more important than what some people think people should believe.....that concept lies behind so many evils in the world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 8.31am)

 


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I think most people think that the vaccination programme is going to be a continual part of their lives with a jab injection every three months protecting them from the evil bat flu.

To be honest I wouldn't blame the average trusting person for believing this given the focus and importance that the media and government has placed on this virus

But when considered unless there is a strain that develops that is harsher than this South African variant then that looks increasingly doubtful.

Not only is it a very expensive burden on the NHS. It is a major redirection of its resources, when far bigger killers are on its everyday books. A point that many have criticised for a long time....I doubt that Covid is even in the top ten of killers...16th when I last looked I don't know what it is right now.

I expect there to be more and more voices appearing who push the narrative that society has to accept and learn to live with covid without a mass programme of boosts every three months.

So unless a harsher variant appears it's likely that a move towards a yearly jab offered at the start of the winter....probably to those over fifty or sixty will becomes the norm.

There has quite incredible things both said and written about the unvaccinated....from simple insults to someone even writing about the possibility of being shot. I don't think the fullness of time will look back on that very kindly.

It's highly likely that the majority of people, especially the young and healthy, will go back to being 'unvaccinated' themselves....a term that plenty have demonised and criticised...yet something that they will themselves become unless they pay for it.

[Link]


Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 3.45am)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

In reply to the contention pushed by various commentators on these boards that the NHS is in all singing consensus and that only luddites argue against covid polices I present the link below.

The view given that there was no major disagreement was always untrue....and one I countered only to receive the usual criticism, even when I showed that disagreement existed at the highest level...noble prize winning level no less. That still was demonised.

[Link]

What is true is far more important than what some people think people should believe.....that concept lies behind so many evils in the world.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 8.31am)

There will be people in all professions who have a different take. It wouldn't make any sense for that not to be the case. Of course though if we are to apply significance to this man's stance, it should be appropriately weighted against the vast numbers of those working in the NHS who believe that vaccination is or has been vital. Not to do so in a further exercise in straw clutching. Even if we take this mans view at face value, slowing transmission during Delta rather than having a further increased mass of cases at the same time was a plus. It matters less with Omicron because it's clearly a more mild illness and avoiding that, in my view, falls somewhere between hopeless and pointless.

And of course transmission is just one aspect of vaccination. He says nothing of the fact that vaccination has kept a staggering amount of people out of hospital and so is a very relevant message to convey. And his idea that the vaccine provided little protection and that staff would need boosters every month has no basis in reality. There is certainly a degree of negligence to the incomplete message he conveys. I do however see sense to saying that if someone can prove, say that they've had Omicron, their vaccination status is less relevant as they are unlikely to pick it up again for a significant period of time.


You decided not to get vaccinated. Fine. Lecturing people about 'truth' and 'evils in the world' just because you have a very egocentric way of imagining that whatever contrarian coin toss you've landed on at any given moment simply must be respected doesn't really mean an awful lot. Problem being that the reactions you receive just lead to you feeling comfortable with taking in extremely lopsided commentators without question as long as it generally agrees with your view. All while criticising others for their lack of balance. Most people aren't anywhere near as doused in their personal politics as you are and just rub along. I wonder if you realise that.

Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2022 2.21pm)

 

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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

I think most people think that the vaccination programme is going to be a continual part of their lives with a jab injection every three months protecting them from the evil bat flu.

To be honest I wouldn't blame the average trusting person for believing this given the focus and importance that the media and government has placed on this virus

But when considered unless there is a strain that develops that is harsher than this South African variant then that looks increasingly doubtful.

Not only is it a very expensive burden on the NHS. It is a major redirection of its resources, when far bigger killers are on its everyday books. A point that many have criticised for a long time....I doubt that Covid is even in the top ten of killers...16th when I last looked I don't know what it is right now.

I expect there to be more and more voices appearing who push the narrative that society has to accept and learn to live with covid without a mass programme of boosts every three months.

So unless a harsher variant appears it's likely that a move towards a yearly jab offered at the start of the winter....probably to those over fifty or sixty will becomes the norm.

There has quite incredible things both said and written about the unvaccinated....from simple insults to someone even writing about the possibility of being shot. I don't think the fullness of time will look back on that very kindly.

It's highly likely that the majority of people, especially the young and healthy, will go back to being 'unvaccinated' themselves....a term that plenty have demonised and criticised...yet something that they will themselves become unless they pay for it.

[Link]


Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 3.45am)

- I very much doubt the majority of people think they will need an injection every three months for the rest of their days, nor will that be happening.

- If the masses had avoided initial vaccinations then that is what would've put a burden on the NHS.


I would agree that in all likelihood unless there is a major curveball, we will likely before long have a yearly jab type situation for elderly, vulnerable and anyone else who wants it, and that having your vaccinations 'up to date' will have less and less meaning and restrictions applied. The majority of vaccinated people would likely concur with that view, because it's perfectly compatible with the idea that having an initial foundation of significantly improved immunity via vaccination as a pandemic unfolds is a sensible and worthwhile approach.

In short, as an adult, not getting the first couple of covid vaccinations as this panned out was, on balance, a pretty poor and negligent decision. In future due to the foundation of immunity through vaccination transitioning into frequent and hopefully more mild natural infections, it very well may not be. Situations change and people will inevitably act accordingly.

Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2022 2.00pm)

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

- I very much doubt the majority of people think they will need an injection every three months for the rest of their days, nor will that be happening.

- If the masses had avoided initial vaccinations then that is what would've put a burden on the NHS.


I would agree that in all likelihood unless there is a major curveball, we will likely before long have a yearly jab type situation for elderly, vulnerable and anyone else who wants it, and that having your vaccinations 'up to date' will have less and less meaning and restrictions applied. The majority of vaccinated people would likely concur with that view, because it's perfectly compatible with the idea that having an initial foundation of significantly improved immunity via vaccination as a pandemic unfolds is a sensible and worthwhile approach.

In short, as an adult, not getting the first couple of covid vaccinations as this panned out was, on balance, a pretty poor and negligent decision. In future due to the foundation of immunity through vaccination transitioning into frequent and hopefully more mild natural infections, it very well may not be. Situations change and people will inevitably act accordingly.

Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2022 2.00pm)

Unless you're talking about the elderly and immune vulnerable we don't agree. And while I'd have recommended vaccines for those groups I don't think the fear and coercion campaign was in anyway ethical.

I think the amount of money spent has criminal repercussions and while the economy was fecked before then that's no excuse to essentially double the size of the well....Everything about it has been negative save for a few billionaires.

My view remains that of the policy on pandemics that stood for many years and that Johnson and co themselves started with was the more realistic approach to a horrendous situation that was none of our making....essentially I agree with the 'Great Barrington declaration' approach....an approach we will essentially be moving back to.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 3.09pm)

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

- I very much doubt the majority of people think they will need an injection every three months for the rest of their days, nor will that be happening.

- If the masses had avoided initial vaccinations then that is what would've put a burden on the NHS.


I would agree that in all likelihood unless there is a major curveball, we will likely before long have a yearly jab type situation for elderly, vulnerable and anyone else who wants it, and that having your vaccinations 'up to date' will have less and less meaning and restrictions applied. The majority of vaccinated people would likely concur with that view, because it's perfectly compatible with the idea that having an initial foundation of significantly improved immunity via vaccination as a pandemic unfolds is a sensible and worthwhile approach.

In short, as an adult, not getting the first couple of covid vaccinations as this panned out was, on balance, a pretty poor and negligent decision. In future due to the foundation of immunity through vaccination transitioning into frequent and hopefully more mild natural infections, it very well may not be. Situations change and people will inevitably act accordingly.

Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2022 2.00pm)

Untrue, I had the J&J one and done jab back in July. Imagine my surprise when I found out it was only effective for 8-12 weeks!! I had the Moderna booster shot last Tuesday & am told that is on good for about 6/8 Months.
I will not be bothering again after this.

 


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Originally posted by BlueJay

You decided not to get vaccinated. Fine. Lecturing people about 'truth' and 'evils in the world' just because you have a very egocentric way of imagining that whatever contrarian coin toss you've landed on at any given moment simply must be respected doesn't really mean an awful lot. Problem being that the reactions you receive just lead to you feeling comfortable with taking in extremely lopsided commentators without question as long as it generally agrees with your view. All while criticising others for their lack of balance. Most people aren't anywhere near as doused in their personal politics as you are and just rub along. I wonder if you realise that.

Edited by BlueJay (09 Jan 2022 2.21pm)

There's a certain amount of reasonable observation in there.

However, the motivation of this post was aimed specifically at claims made on this thread about consensus and also the rather harsh digs directed at the surgeon's video I originally linked to.

Both of these particularly annoyed me as most of that criticism was not fair nor accurate in the first place. For you rather than get involved with the truth of this matter at the time you...like now prefer to focus on criticism of my stance.....Ok, that's your preferred focus, however on these points I feel vindicated.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Jan 2022 3.06pm)

 


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Originally posted by Jimenez

Untrue, I had the J&J one and done jab back in July. Imagine my surprise when I found out it was only effective for 8-12 weeks!! I had the Moderna booster shot last Tuesday & am told that is on good for about 6/8 Months.
I will not be bothering again after this.

Which is basically what I'm saying. That due to a foundation of protection from vaccination and inevitable natural infection, unless deaths suddenly shoot up more people will gradually fall out of the routine of getting vaccinated unless they believe or know that they truly need it. T and B cell protection likely lasts several months if not longer, provably cushioning the blow of natural infection, which are looking to be getting on the mild side now anyway.

You're a good example tbh as you routinely talk about covid like its a nothing virus and that people have to crazy to worry about it, but have now been twice vaccinated wisely improving your outcome if you come into contact with it, despite your personal take on it. So even if you don't get vaccinated again, you've probably done enough to blunt the impact should you have been someone destined to be badly impacted by it. Fair play.

 

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