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BlueJay  UK 15 Aug 20 3.06pm |
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An interesting look at the fact that there are 211,500 excess deaths in the US since March. It aligns with much of the excess actual death data coming out of other countries right now. This could very easily be taken to be a sign of under recording of coronavirus deaths due to the fact that covid is the unique factor cropping up in these countries over this specific period of time where these increases are occuring. Of course though, like everything it's a signal, a developing data point in a new situation. That's how its best to view it. With a sober head rather than with insults at opposing outlooks. Edited by BlueJay (15 Aug 2020 3.10pm)
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| BlueJay UK 15 Aug 20 3.10pm |
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Covid-19 infections leave an impact on the heart, raising concerns about lasting damage - [Link] Quote Two new studies from Germany paint a sobering picture of the toll that Covid-19 takes on the heart, raising the specter of long-term damage after people recover, even if their illness was not severe enough to require hospitalization.
One study examined the cardiac MRIs of 100 people who had recovered from Covid-19 and compared them to heart images from 100 people who were similar but not infected with the virus. Their average age was 49 and two-thirds of the patients had recovered at home. More than two months later, infected patients were more likely to have troubling cardiac signs than people in the control group: 78 patients showed structural changes to their hearts, 76 had evidence of a biomarker signaling cardiac injury typically found after a heart attack, and 60 had signs of inflammation. These were relatively young, healthy patients who fell ill in the spring, Valentina Puntmann, who led the MRI study, pointed out in an interview. Many of them had just returned from ski vacations. None of them thought they had anything wrong with their hearts. “The fact that 78% of ‘recovered’ [patients] had evidence of ongoing heart involvement means that the heart is involved in a majority of patients, even if Covid-19 illness does not scream out with the classical heart symptoms, such as anginal chest pain,” she told STAT. She is a cardiologist at University Hospital Frankfurt. “In my view, the relatively clear onset of Covid-19 illness provides an opportunity to take proactive action and to look for heart involvement early.”
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 Stirlingsays  15 Aug 20 3.10pm |
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If the outcomes weren't so awful I'd see this all as one huge ridiculous joke....a commentary upon the absurdities of the age. The gate keeping in the media over all of this shows how much nearer to 1984 we are than what 2020 should be.....the future is truly backwards. The economic catastrophe that has been inflicted upon future generations is also awe inspiring in its incompetence. This allied with societies endless supply of 'go along to get along' lickspittles and toadies you could be forgiven for despairing. Generally I verge from laughing to wanting to throw up......which is a quite common disposition I find myself in when looking at what modern society has become. Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Aug 2020 3.11pm)
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Aug 20 3.30pm |
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Originally posted by BlueJay
I'm talking about the 'people of this country are fvcking thick' and 'pussies' talk that pops up when anyone has a point contrary to yours. If you don't want to wear a mask when out shopping then just get on with it rather than issue hysterical threats to leave the country on account that others are wearing them. The NHS is there for people regardless of what good or bad decisions they make regarding their heath. Edited by BlueJay (15 Aug 2020 3.03pm) I do just get on with it. Or let others get on with it. If I get anyone coming over to me spreading their splutter out of their cloth when I’m nowhere near them then they’ll get a piece of my mind. That goes for a fat Northern monkey or virtuous healthy Karen who’s been indoors for 5 months crapping her fat arse. If this mask trend happens every winter then I’m very tempted to live in a country away from these people. My choice, my words, a right to free speech on this forum. If people develop too many ailments then unless there’s huge tax increases the nhs cannot treat everyone and indeed don’t. They certainly haven’t treated 50% of people with newly developed cancer and cardiac symptoms, the mental illnesses and suicides, not to mention the people who died because they didn’t go to hospital or the GP for whatever reason. I’m currently providing food for various houses who need it do I hope you have a good day.
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| BlueJay UK 15 Aug 20 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
I’m currently providing food for various houses who need it do I hope you have a good day. I'm very pleased to hear it. We do the same for our elderly neighbours and well as providing masks should they wish to venture out. Have a good day, Rudi.
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| cryrst The garden of England 15 Aug 20 6.55pm |
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I dont know why some bother.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 15 Aug 20 10.47pm |
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Spoke to someone who’s just returned from Majorca. He said he filled the forms in on returning but it’s the forms and systems not being able to split Spain up that’s the problem and what’s killing Spain’s tourism. I said it’s probably also the ridiculous mask policy and policing of it. Who’d want to go to that unless you’re planning on not going near places the whole time. Rented a villa but said there’s undercover police around the beaches checking people are wearing masks. He said he feels safer there than here. He lives in a big pad in Oxted FFS and works from home. I had to talk him through how ‘safe’ he is with nobody near home compared to some in zones 2-4. He got it. Edited by Rudi Hedman (16 Aug 2020 1.19am)
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Aug 20 7.39am |
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FO advice is that you should only travel abroad if it is essential. I feel sorry for people who are rushing back from France and other countries but only to a point. They took a risk and for some it now means they will have to quarantine when they get home. I suspect that the majority of people who travelled to Spain and France etc. were going for enjoyment and it was not essential. Regardless of our policies we cannot control how other countries respond to the virus. I should be sitting on a beach in Costa Rica now whilst earlier in the year I should have had a month in Indonesia it's annoying but until they have a vaccine I doubt I will be travelling abroad so this year is a right off.
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| cryrst The garden of England 16 Aug 20 7.51am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
FO advice is that you should only travel abroad if it is essential. I feel sorry for people who are rushing back from France and other countries but only to a point. They took a risk and for some it now means they will have to quarantine when they get home. I suspect that the majority of people who travelled to Spain and France etc. were going for enjoyment and it was not essential. Regardless of our policies we cannot control how other countries respond to the virus. I should be sitting on a beach in Costa Rica now whilst earlier in the year I should have had a month in Indonesia it's annoying but until they have a vaccine I doubt I will be travelling abroad so this year is a right off.
Indonesia,Costa Rica
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Aug 20 8.03am |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Indonesia,Costa Rica My retirement plans are to travel the world. Last year I kicked off by going to Russia, Southern Spain and Sardinia. This year was was going to be Singapore, Indonesia, Costa Rica and Italy. Next year Japan and possibly the 5 Stan's (Turkmenistan etc) Still I have my health unlike some so mustn't grumble. Bollocks I'm fed up this virus it's ruining my life.
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| Eaglecoops Online CR3 16 Aug 20 8.05am |
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Originally posted by Badger11
FO advice is that you should only travel abroad if it is essential. I feel sorry for people who are rushing back from France and other countries but only to a point. They took a risk and for some it now means they will have to quarantine when they get home. I suspect that the majority of people who travelled to Spain and France etc. were going for enjoyment and it was not essential. Regardless of our policies we cannot control how other countries respond to the virus. I should be sitting on a beach in Costa Rica now whilst earlier in the year I should have had a month in Indonesia it's annoying but until they have a vaccine I doubt I will be travelling abroad so this year is a right off.
Given that the vast majority of locations In the world are better off with regard to Covid than the UK, this is more than just an annoyance. I’m not a great conspiracy theorist however this smacks of the government controlling the population so that money is spent in the UK rather than abroad. We normally spend 6 months of the year abroad and the FO essential travel only statement has effectively prevented us going altogether as you lose your medical insurance. It’s effectively controlling the people and there are some arguments that say they are breaching human rights by doing this especially where the area being visited is virtually Covid free. Provided you take the same precautions away from home as you do at home I really do not see what the difference is.
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 16 Aug 20 10.12am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
Given that the vast majority of locations In the world are better off with regard to Covid than the UK, this is more than just an annoyance. I’m not a great conspiracy theorist however this smacks of the government controlling the population so that money is spent in the UK rather than abroad. We normally spend 6 months of the year abroad and the FO essential travel only statement has effectively prevented us going altogether as you lose your medical insurance. It’s effectively controlling the people and there are some arguments that say they are breaching human rights by doing this especially where the area being visited is virtually Covid free. Provided you take the same precautions away from home as you do at home I really do not see what the difference is. Exactly. Only the medical insurance issue is something to stop you going. There is of course the minor chance you get knocked up by the clipboard clowns at home within 2 weeks but unlikely. Infections of Covid are everywhere. There’s no changing that. It really does make you wonder when going to another town or city here has more chance of catching Covid than abroad. Then we have places in countries with no problems with Covid whatsoever. Cyprus has the right approach. A negative test within 48 hours I think and you’re free to go with no masks or draconian nonsense anywhere. Being long haul in places with limited healthcare which would cost loads if they did have access to what you need would put people off though. But no surprise fit and healthy people want to get on with it.
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