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 Rudi Hedman  Caterham 12 Nov 20 8.39pm |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
I kind of agree with Rudi really, however, I was wondering if all this pandemic has done is speed up an inevitability? It just seems like common sense for shopping to go online, or warehouse style at the very least - for obvious cost reasons. Leaving the high street needing a different direction: boutique, specialist stores, restaurants, cafes, bars - or bookies, charity shops and whatever else. Agree, but better it was done naturally over time rather than wiped out in months. So many reasons you could spend hours in it.
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| Tim Gypsy Hill '64 Stoke sub normal 12 Nov 20 9.21pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
This is the kind of chart I am interested in now and will be the kind used to scrutinise the government’s fetish for locking down & closing smaller businesses down, now snd in the future after this is history. It will be ignored Rudi. You know that. I've stopped banging my head against the wall....
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 12 Nov 20 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Sainsbury’s Warlingham went from 100 before masks were compulsory to 270 once compulsory. I asked someone at the front tapping on their smartphone as people went in. Supermarkets may not have ‘dropped rules’ but Sainsbury’s let nearly 200% more people in and Tesco have stopped telling people anything from what I’ve heard. Don’t know about Morrison’s. They were pretty draconian during spring and summer and have a CEO who has made it public how left wing he is. Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Nov 2020 7.24pm) Sainsbury’s Warlingham - 4 large full length aisles plus a minimum of 26 perpendicular aisles. 100 people = 3.3 per aisle / 270 people = 9 per aisle. At 9 people per aisle the aisles would need to be less than the length of a double decker bus for there to be the slightest issue regarding the two metre rule and that’s presuming there’s not a single person at the bakery, pharmacy, Argos concession, the large clothing area, any of the food counters.....or a single one of the checkouts!
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 12 Nov 20 11.31pm |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Sainsbury’s Warlingham - 4 large full length aisles plus a minimum of 26 perpendicular aisles. 100 people = 3.3 per aisle / 270 people = 9 per aisle. At 9 people per aisle the aisles would need to be less than the length of a double decker bus for there to be the slightest issue regarding the two metre rule and that’s presuming there’s not a single person at the bakery, pharmacy, Argos concession, the large clothing area, any of the food counters.....or a single one of the checkouts! Ha ha, but it has one aisle along the checkouts, one through the middle and one at the back. I don’t know how many run from checkouts to middle aisle and again from middle aisle to back wall where butchers etc was. Maybe it’s 26 in total like you say. If it is then it’s 10 in each small aisle with some taken off that when in the middle aisles or paying. Sounds a bit fuller. The usual aisles will have not many in them and then the regular food aisles will have more. Not a problem for people light on their feet but can be for those who aren’t, and who the masks were for, but now struggle to socially distance. Masks were always supposed to be as well as social distancing, or if you can’t, not instead of.
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 13 Nov 20 7.49am |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Ha ha, but it has one aisle along the checkouts, one through the middle and one at the back. I don’t know how many run from checkouts to middle aisle and again from middle aisle to back wall where butchers etc was. Maybe it’s 26 in total like you say. If it is then it’s 10 in each small aisle with some taken off that when in the middle aisles or paying. Sounds a bit fuller. The usual aisles will have not many in them and then the regular food aisles will have more. Not a problem for people light on their feet but can be for those who aren’t, and who the masks were for, but now struggle to socially distance. Masks were always supposed to be as well as social distancing, or if you can’t, not instead of. Morning Rudi, Below is a section of one of the shorter (perpendicular) aisles in Sainsbury’s Warlingham with 4 people in it (Not even 3.3) How much space do you need exactly ?! If you think that is an appropriate or acceptable use of the space available in a store the size of Warlingham then i suggest you go and justify it to those queuing outside in the cold and the rain this winter.
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Attachment: | Eaglecoops CR3 13 Nov 20 8.11am |
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Originally posted by Phil’s Barber
Morning Rudi, Below is a section of one of the shorter (perpendicular) aisles in Sainsbury’s Warlingham with 4 people in it (Not even 3.3) How much space do you need exactly ?! If you think that is an appropriate or acceptable use of the space available in a store the size of Warlingham then i suggest you go and justify it to those queuing outside in the cold and the rain this winter. If you look closely at the picture you will realise the reason there is no one in that aisle. There is nothing left on the shelves!
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 20 9.53am |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If you look closely at the picture you will realise the reason there is no one in that aisle. There is nothing left on the shelves! Very good. Some aisles like meat, fruit & veg and pasta and rice and bread are busy and then the toiletries aisles for example have hardly any people in them. Increasing numbers by 270% because of cloth coverings is a bit high. If there’s enough room as you’re suggesting then why not 270 without masks?
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| Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 13 Nov 20 11.20am |
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With the execrable rise in infections day on day, I cannot imagine a sufficient decline by 2nd December so it does seem highly likely that there will be no scope for lifting the current restrictions which apply until that date. There is mention of reverting back to a 'Tier' system but the restrictions within the tiers could be amended so that there are more stringent regulations for each tier or the whole country could be placed in 'Tier 3' ! I certainly do not expect a situation whereby come 3rd December we will all revert back to the situation prior to 5th November. Edited by Willo (13 Nov 2020 11.25am)
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 13 Nov 20 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops
If you look closely at the picture you will realise the reason there is no one in that aisle. There is nothing left on the shelves!
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| Phil’s Barber Crowborough 13 Nov 20 4.04pm |
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman
Very good. Some aisles like meat, fruit & veg and pasta and rice and bread are busy and then the toiletries aisles for example have hardly any people in them. Increasing numbers by 270% because of cloth coverings is a bit high. If there’s enough room as you’re suggesting then why not 270 without masks? I think you’re getting a little confused with the figures again Rudi, you’ve added another 100% on, as yesterday you said (correctly) they had increased occupancy by 170% (100 to 270). I think anyone can see from the photo’s that the aisles can clearly accommodate considerably more than 3.3 people and still maintain safe social distancing of 2 metres or more. There will also be a fair few of the 270 customers at the checkouts / pharmacy / bakery and the other areas highlighted yesterday that were consciously excluded from the calculations, thus reducing even further the strain on the aisles and walkways. I can only imagine that Sainsbury’s Warlingham have realised this for themselves and now acknowledge that the store can comfortably take 270 (with or without masks) and that they were over cautious with their original figure of 100. It was certainly my experience at the beginning of Lockdown One that you queued in the supermarket car park on a ‘one out - one in’ basis and when you eventually got in there, you almost had the place to yourself!
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| Rudi Hedman Caterham 13 Nov 20 5.55pm |
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Yes I meant 170% or made an error. Pretty obvious really (Facepalm)
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