I’ve not seen nhs staff wearing cloth masks so that reason is just covering up the fact they said cloth masks were a waste of time.

COYP

Does anyone have a table of GDP changes this year by country?

COYP

No, they do not. They still stipulate that people on their premises have to follow the social distancing advice and guidance. Nothing in terms of social distancing has been reduced for mask wearers in supermarkets, or any other shop for that matter. Again it is just those who choose not to comply and those who let this behaviour happen who are making the whole problem worse than it would otherwise be.

This is why we need to look at GDP per country. Australia and New Zealand will claim they’ve got it right but

1) this obviously isn’t over yet and a vaccine will take purchasing some and time vaccinating everyone by literal force I presume.

2) Australia and New Zealand are a terminus of travel whereas all of Europe is a crossroads and can explain why all of the EU countries haven’t dealt with it in the way lockdown and restriction zealots will have wished for. Plus Australia and NZ are obviously huge and it’s got to be much easier to distance if you want to or are made to. And smaller populations so not as many people to object.

The one thing I agree with is that we should’ve closed off incoming passengers apart from repatriation. But we mustn’t have that because of freedom to travel but of course we must impose whatever we hear other countries did and indeed China did on our own population instead.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (12 Nov 2020 1.09pm)

COYP

Both of those links do what your first one did and try to suggest that Sweden has changed its policies whereas it's still largely the same......Something tells me that Bloomberg has a position on this....Mmmmm...I wonder why...I mean I wonder who the owner supports.

As for, 'I'm right, you're wrong' well that can be your take on my approach perhaps. However, the reality is that the official position adopted is very much along those lines when it comes to how society enforces and restricts your life and your employment prospects.

People get rugby tackled in the street (selectively of course)....so forgive me if I don't think 'I'm right, you're wrong' carries some import here.

Sweden clearly had the best approach....I and others have been saying that from the beginning...Lockdowns are largely political posturing and I believe that will eventually be the conclusion once the hysteria goes....it isn't hindsight for us that's for certain.

However I respect your difference of opinion on this and the position of many on the 'right' certainly splits into different camps and apologies if I appear somewhat robust.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Nov 2020 2.43pm)

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