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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 20 12.21am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sensible? Not a word I associate with these attitudes. Inhuman seems rather more apposite.

The approach that you and others favour seems to me to desire the sacrifice of our humanity on the altar of the great God of money.

The majority of us can live well on less, and have enough left to share with those who can't, so that they can survive too.

That's what a modern compassionate society does.

Exposing your sheltered, comfortable life again that the majority can give money away. You also forget that those who need to work whether due to job type or finances have wanted to and got on with it all year.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 19 Nov 20 12.27am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Exposing your sheltered, comfortable life again that the majority can give money away. You also forget that those who need to work whether due to job type or finances have wanted to and got on with it all year.

It's quite incredible really, the majority struggle to keep in the red and then they have to read stuff like that.

Talk about another planet.

 


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View dannyboy1978's Profile dannyboy1978 Flag 19 Nov 20 7.34am Send a Private Message to dannyboy1978 Add dannyboy1978 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Sensible? Not a word I associate with these attitudes. Inhuman seems rather more apposite.

The approach that you and others favour seems to me to desire the sacrifice of our humanity on the altar of the great God of money.

The majority of us can live well on less, and have enough left to share with those who can't, so that they can survive too.

That's what a modern compassionate society does.

I don't believe you , just vertue signalling
Words are easy, actions are hard.

Will you be giving everything in your will to charities?

 

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View DanH's Profile DanH Flag SW2 19 Nov 20 7.43am Send a Private Message to DanH Add DanH as a friend

Originally posted by dannyboy1978

Pretty much every thing all us sensible people know already.
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The internet really is the best and the worst invention ever.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 19 Nov 20 8.43am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

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Thought this was interesting - Danny Dyer’s opinion hasn’t been sought before.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 20 9.51am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

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Our View: Results from Covid tests can be hit-and-miss

‘It is rather surprising that it’s taken this long for families in Cyprus to publicly declare that they are not convinced their loved ones who have died recently, were killed by Covid-19, but relatives of three families have been vocal about it in the past few days on social media.

The public has had almost 10 months to educate themselves on the difference between dying with Covid-19 and dying of Covid-19.

Until now, compared with other countries, Cyprus has been relatively good in distinguishing between Covid as a cause of death, or it being merely incidental in a patient with serious comorbidities. A few months back, Britain was forced to lower its Covid death numbers by 5,377 due to misclassifications, which have happened in almost every country, so there is no reason to assume that mistakes have not also been made in Cyprus.

In one of the recent Cyprus cases, according to relatives, a woman with breathing difficulties was admitted to Paphos general on Friday and tested negative with PCR. She died 10 hours later, testing positive close to the time of death. Her relatives find it hard to believe she contracted the virus and died from it in that short space of time. No post-mortems are done when it comes to Covid so the exact cause of death cannot be established.

It is possible the woman was Covid positive all along and the initial negative test was wrong. Certainly, she did not go in negative, catch coronavirus and die from it in 10 hours. Tesla mogul Elon Musk tweeted last week he had taken four PCR tests in one day, using the same method and nurse. Two of the tests came back positive and two negative. All this and more such documented testing anomalies seem to indicate there are serious issues with the PCR tests, either in themselves or the way they are carried out or processed.

As our own Covid guru Leondios Kostrikis explained to this newspaper in an interview recently, not all nasal swabs are created equal. Some can gather up more virus depending on who is administering them. The number of threshold cycles used to find the virus during the PCR process is also a factor and can differ from lab to lab, giving widely different results.

How positive a person tests is a real factor. The lower the cycle needed to find the virus, the higher the viral load. Logically then, if the unfortunate woman tested positive at a lower cycle threshold, couldn’t it be easily established that Covid was the main cause of death, whether it exacerbated any comorbidities leading to death or whether it was incidental?

Authorities need to get a grip on this or the public will lose confidence and view the testing process as a game of chance – positive today, negative tomorrow or vice versa. Worse, if such ambiguous incidents keep happening, people who might be positive but test negative will be circulating and unwittingly spreading the virus.’

 


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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Nov 20 10.05am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Exposing your sheltered, comfortable life again that the majority can give money away. You also forget that those who need to work whether due to job type or finances have wanted to and got on with it all year.

I am not forgetting anything.

Our society is obviously comprised of a huge variety of people at different stages in their lives and with different roles. My wife is working on a hospital ward, smothered in PPE, caring for patients some of whom have been exposed to C19.

It doesn't alter the fact that most of us can live perfectly well on less, and are going to have to, whether we like it or not.

Those who want us to end the lockdowns and risk the NHS being unable to cope, not just with those needing treatment for C19 but for all the many other services we so often take for granted, are short-sighted at best. I think they are, by putting short term economic issues higher than humanitarian ones, showing a total lack of compassion.

If you know anyone who works in the NHS then you will know what stress they are now feeling. They are tired and some are suffering from mental burn out. We must protect the NHS. It's in all our interests. That this means we also need to protect those most badly impacted by lockdowns goes hand in hand with that.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 20 10.27am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not forgetting anything.

Our society is obviously comprised of a huge variety of people at different stages in their lives and with different roles. My wife is working on a hospital ward, smothered in PPE, caring for patients some of whom have been exposed to C19.

It doesn't alter the fact that most of us can live perfectly well on less, and are going to have to, whether we like it or not.

Those who want us to end the lockdowns and risk the NHS being unable to cope, not just with those needing treatment for C19 but for all the many other services we so often take for granted, are short-sighted at best. I think they are, by putting short term economic issues higher than humanitarian ones, showing a total lack of compassion.

If you know anyone who works in the NHS then you will know what stress they are now feeling. They are tired and some are suffering from mental burn out. We must protect the NHS. It's in all our interests. That this means we also need to protect those most badly impacted by lockdowns goes hand in hand with that.

Blatant evidence you don’t have enough of an idea of how economies work and how poorer people will always end up feeling the hit the most, no matter what utopian bilge you type on here. And what about the rest of the world. I heard about 140 million will head into starvation from lockdowns. I would respect you if you sold up now and donated it all to world aid apart from enough for a 2 bed flat in South London.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 20 10.31am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

It would be cheaper to pay the real vulnerable, and not the ones they say are twice as likely to die so still only 0.1%, a large wage to shield. I can guarantee they’ll be alright and alright about it then.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Nov 20 1.27pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

On BBC at 9 tonight they have a ‘Following the science?’ documentary. Will give it a go.

 


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View ASCPFC's Profile ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 19 Nov 20 5.07pm Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

On BBC at 9 tonight they have a ‘Following the science?’ documentary. Will give it a go.

They will criticise the conservatives and Trump, have half the programme dedicated to BAME people and how they are victims, then a portion calling for more restrictions.
They won't be questioning anything from any of the pro lockdown scientists. Anyone anti lockdown or anti vaccine will be described as either linked to far right groups or conspiracy theorists.
At the very least, different music and more sinister lighting will be used in the background when people say that lockdowns or vaccines don't work - eerie or crazy music meant to make them look bad.
You may as well not bother to watch it. I've summarised it for you.

 


I used to put the manager's name in front of Red and Blue but got fed up with changing it. If someone cool becomes our manager then maybe..

Red and Blue Army!

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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 19 Nov 20 5.56pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Ha ha!
I concur ASCPFC!
I will not be watching, same as I haven't watched many programmes recently headed something like - "how the UK got the Pandemic so wrong"!
They are just out to create hysteria, get some viewers and slag off everyone involved.
Boring programmes now.

 

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