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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 19 Feb 21 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Doesn't interest me in the slightest

It's like the idea of going on a beach holiday, in the same place, for longer than 2 weeks. Sounds good in theory, but when you do it it rapidly becomes boring, fast.

When you add the fact you're most likely living in a gated concrete community with a load of other Ingerlanders in a classic brits abroad location, it sounds like utter hell.

So yeah, I prefer 365 days of this with the ability to pick and choose where I travel to (when allowed again, of course) throughout the year rather than feeling like I have to go back to the same place over and over and over again because I've invested all my life savings into it.

Variety and new experiences are way more interesting to me than commuting to little england in the sun thrice a year.

I would venture to say that you know absolutely nothing about where I am as shown by your own stereotypical views on Brits abroad.

Lovely week this week. Monday, played bowls with a couple of mates and a couple of beers after. Tuesday was shopping day so not so good but I went and did a job for someone in the afternoon and earned enough to pay for Wednesday’s golf. Thursday was snooker night and today we are off for a boozy lunch with some neighbours. Sea fishing tomorrow so I better not drink too much!

My complex overlooks the sea and is as multi cultural as you can get, English, German, Latvian, French, Italian and of course Canarian.

But you just carry on thinking it’s an awful place because hopefully then, your sort will stay away.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Feb 21 2.13pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'The expectancy'

The MEDIA expectancy, perhaps. And therefore by extension those members of the public that don't do a lot of reading other than the daily mail...

The government have always been caught between giving arbitrary dates and being ambiguous as they do not have a crystal ball. But the backbenchers and media seem to require entirely theoretical end dates that they then treat as gospel irrespective of the state of the data.

If you're impressionable and naive, sure, I can see how this comes as a surprise that this all hadn't 'blown over' by Christmas.

Of course the news from the the government is always followed by a BUT. After being too eager to overpromise they've finally realised that they have to react to the data and listen more to the caution from the people they hired to advise them on this whole thing. I really don't see any scenario where announcements aren't caveated as this can pivot in a matter of an hour due to a new mutation, localised infection or any number of unforeseen circumstances.

The fallout from all this on peoples livelihoods and mental states is nothing other than lamentable, but I often feel some people argue from a point of 'this could all have been prevented'. Which is clearly nonsense. As for the scale of it, they have more of a point there.

Some people I know thought this would be done by summer and that mask wearing was an extravagance. I, for one, did not. Needless to say they've changed their mind now.

As I've said many times before, I believe there will be further flare ups this winter, but hopefully they can be contained through localised measures rather than national ones. Next spring summer should be something approaching normality, but until vaccinations in other corners of the world catch up this pattern of winter/summer and flexing restrictions such as household mixing and gathering limits, social distancing etc. will continue for some time yet. At a minimum until the end of winter next year.

Realism is what's needed, not over optimism or naive fantasy. And yeah, that's not very helpful to most people but that's better than having no vaccine and no route out of this – there is cause for optimism but just because it's more gradual doesn't mean it's not positive.

For avoidance of doubt, I have been an avid reader of the 'Daily Mail' for many,many years but this is not the sole source of my news information.
You stated "MEDIA expectancy" but it was the mutterings of those in the Downing Street briefings which set an expectancy amongst the masses.

I have my limitations of course and have faults but I would not list "Naivete' as amongst them.Those who have perused my musings on HOL would attest that perhaps I am not blessed with being overly optimistic and I have not been a chap who has engaged in over optimism in relation to the lifting of restrictions.Last year I did inform my dear wife to forget any foreign holidays until 2021!

I like to believe that my experience of life has injected a significant dose of 'Realism' into me so I am in agreement with you when you stated that realism is what is required.

Finally I understand the need for "Caveated announcements", however in the way they are presented they just add to the mood of despair and pessimism many are experiencing.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2021 2.28pm)

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 19 Feb 21 2.21pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I do know a few people of intellect and they are in a state of despair.

After the last lockdown the expectancy was that life would be back to normality by Christmas but of course the emergence of the new variant prevented this scenario.
We then heard that life would be far better in the spring, whilst Boris Johnson said "Easter", but many believe that this will not be the case.
The vaccination roll-out has been a huge success, and gives us grounds for optimism however the news is always followed by a "BUT".
Lockdowns started last March,people are at the end of their tether and their mental states have been adversely affected.

Maybe life will return to some sort of normality in 2022 but I would NOT bet my house on it.


Fully agree Willo - it is the constant shifting of the exit dates and lack of hope and optimism that is causing such mental distress.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 19 Feb 21 2.23pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by jeeagles

I would go with more patrols. Just much harsher punishment for those stupid enough to get court. On my recent trips out round London it's clear that there's large groups gathering that aren't from one household. I've go some sympathy for people living in flats, but it's the blatant flouting of the rules that need harsher punishment. The groups that are doing it simply won't pay fines as they don't have the money. Just start locking people up for two weeks.

I'm not sure transgender people are that much of a burden on the NHS, being pedantic, its transexual operations and there's a gulf between the two. But thats a conversation for another topic. Obesity and poor lifestyle illnesses are a far bigger problem.

Personally, I thing everyone in the highest tax bracket should have to pay for doctors time and medecian. Freeing the government to only pay for hospitals and equipment, then reduce income tax for everyone but charge more for unhealthy products. Let people have the choice to how they live their lives, but make them pay for their own healthcare.

We are now living in an authoritarian state where pretty much everything is now illegal and you would like much harsher punishments implemented- crikey...

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 2.46pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Yes worldwide and as a mean average with 2.5 million dead that is roughly 8 years for everyone registered as died so far from C19. 8 years earlier than necessary. Even if you assume some were 1 or 2 years away many lost a lot more than 8 that being the case. Long covid will be the next issue with as many as 1 in 10 suffering for 3 months or more. Over 100 million cases so far that's an awful lot of sickness.

I don’t know how humans ever functioned and coped before 2020 and now I’m beginning to wonder if many of them ever will again.

 


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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 2.51pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

'The expectancy'

The MEDIA expectancy, perhaps. And therefore by extension those members of the public that don't do a lot of reading other than the daily mail...

The government have always been caught between giving arbitrary dates and being ambiguous as they do not have a crystal ball. But the backbenchers and media seem to require entirely theoretical end dates that they then treat as gospel irrespective of the state of the data.

If you're impressionable and naive, sure, I can see how this comes as a surprise that this all hadn't 'blown over' by Christmas.

Of course the news from the the government is always followed by a BUT. After being too eager to overpromise they've finally realised that they have to react to the data and listen more to the caution from the people they hired to advise them on this whole thing. I really don't see any scenario where announcements aren't caveated as this can pivot in a matter of an hour due to a new mutation, localised infection or any number of unforeseen circumstances.

The fallout from all this on peoples livelihoods and mental states is nothing other than lamentable, but I often feel some people argue from a point of 'this could all have been prevented'. Which is clearly nonsense. As for the scale of it, they have more of a point there.

Some people I know thought this would be done by summer and that mask wearing was an extravagance. I, for one, did not. Needless to say they've changed their mind now.

As I've said many times before, I believe there will be further flare ups this winter, but hopefully they can be contained through localised measures rather than national ones. Next spring summer should be something approaching normality, but until vaccinations in other corners of the world catch up this pattern of winter/summer and flexing restrictions such as household mixing and gathering limits, social distancing etc. will continue for some time yet. At a minimum until the end of winter next year.

Realism is what's needed, not over optimism or naive fantasy. And yeah, that's not very helpful to most people but that's better than having no vaccine and no route out of this – there is cause for optimism but just because it's more gradual doesn't mean it's not positive.

Some might comply but more and more will choose not to, from all age groups, including previously vulnerable. The ‘new variant’ headlines booming on bbc news won’t stop people. Until end of 2022? Dream on. People are not going to comply for 33 months in total.

Edited by Rudi Hedman (19 Feb 2021 3.00pm)

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Feb 21 3.00pm

Originally posted by Eaglecoops


Lovely week this week. Monday, played bowls with a couple of mates and a couple of beers after. Tuesday was shopping day so not so good but I went and did a job for someone in the afternoon and earned enough to pay for Wednesday’s golf. Thursday was snooker night and today we are off for a boozy lunch with some neighbours. Sea fishing tomorrow so I better not drink too much!


'I met this girl on Monday
Took her for a drink on Tuesday
We were making love by Wednesday
And on Thursday & Friday & Saturday we chilled on Sunday'

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 3.02pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


'I met this girl on Monday
Took her for a drink on Tuesday
We were making love by Wednesday
And on Thursday & Friday & Saturday we chilled on Sunday'

He’s not young enough for that kind of regular 4 day sexual activity.

 


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BlueJay Flag UK 19 Feb 21 3.06pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

He’s not young enough for that kind of regular 4 day sexual activity.

Haha. Then four days of snooker it is.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Feb 21 3.08pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Haha. Then four days of snooker it is.

Pot the red and, screw back.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 19 Feb 21 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by SW19 CPFC

Sort of. You could certainly argue some degree of exaggeration, for sure.

But for good reason. A lot of the population not bothering with the rules as it is so I can't blame the govt for potentially hyping it up. Also, since when has the media acted with restraint? Bad news sells. Hyperbad news sells even better. Keep those clicks rollin' in

And yes, they're constantly evolving, hundreds of mutations a year, mostly harmless, but it wouldn't make sense to sack it all off for a variation that makes the vaccine far less effective now would it? What's the alternative scenario here?

The chat is that most of the swervy mutations can be combated by one change to the vaccine, they all seem to have mutated in similar ways rather than each one requiring a unique update to the shot. This can only be good news as it might indicate that any future mutations will be easily remedied as part of the annual booster. I doubt in future that each mutation will warrant a return to a lockdown. Seems to me that's what most people are worried about.

Once populations have had the first round of vaccine the main issues are cleared related to serious illness and therefore hospital capacity problems. At that point it's a fairly fast, iterative journey out of this.

Unless another coronavirus comes along in the meantime (that really would be game over) anyone saying we're doomed to a cycle of on off full lockdowns is doom mongering.

Edited by SW19 CPFC (19 Feb 2021 2.02pm)

I'm obviously way out of sync with the main consensus as I disagree with the whole approach.

I don't think it's ok to lock down the economically viable....destroy small businesses for the benefit of the large....This is the only time locking up healthy people has been done in history.

It's not only wrong economically, it's wrong on a civil liberties front...the problem is that now the line has been breached it becomes acceptable.

I'm in the 'at risk' category however I can't accept the reasoning where essentially the future of the young are sacrificed for tiny percentage gains for those in the winter of their lives...whose summers are behind them.

The motivations of society are upside down.....what was it that Whitney Houson sang?....'I believe that children are our future'.....errrr.

This was never the black death....I consider this all madness and when the economic pain comes in none of the normies have a leg to stand on.


Edited by Stirlingsays (19 Feb 2021 3.38pm)

 


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View SW19 CPFC's Profile SW19 CPFC Flag Addiscombe West 19 Feb 21 3.58pm Send a Private Message to SW19 CPFC Add SW19 CPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

I would venture to say that you know absolutely nothing about where I am as shown by your own stereotypical views on Brits abroad.

Lovely week this week. Monday, played bowls with a couple of mates and a couple of beers after. Tuesday was shopping day so not so good but I went and did a job for someone in the afternoon and earned enough to pay for Wednesday’s golf. Thursday was snooker night and today we are off for a boozy lunch with some neighbours. Sea fishing tomorrow so I better not drink too much!

My complex overlooks the sea and is as multi cultural as you can get, English, German, Latvian, French, Italian and of course Canarian.

But you just carry on thinking it’s an awful place because hopefully then, your sort will stay away.

Obviously one has to generalise. But the point still stands... the monotony of it would drive me insane

 


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