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Originally posted by BlueJay

Having both (jab and vaccine) looks to be about 'as good as it gets' according to the Zoe study, which has probably been more on the money than government stats. I'm not sure how long it's possible to put these things off, but would agree that getting a vaccine straight after covid (or even a month after) doesn't seem that worthwhile. Maybe if you can delay it for say three months or so it'll be decent though. It may have been like a cold on account of the vaccine after all, or at least it likely lessened the severity of it.

The cold was before covid. When the loss of smell came the cold was gone. I didnít get it anywhere in particular. Wasnít particularly tired from covid. Probably just doing nothing indoors.

 


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If you have been infected with covid-19 you will have natural immunity do not think about antibodies and if they will only last 6 months etc that is again another one of these misleading messages they have put out we do not work like this.

The people who have already had the virus and than go to get vaccinated are the ones which have shown to be having a lot of after issues.

Antibodies do not just float around all the time you create what you need this is how natural immunity works.

The problem with these vaccines is they have been created for profit not health why treat the problem with one jab when you can scare people into having one or more every year. (this is the same with many medical treatments its disease management not prevention or curing people)

They knew this it was published at the beginning these vaccines was leaky and would cause a variant war in the future they didn't care this is what they want look how much money has been made already from a virus that has 99% recovery rate.

A lot of doctors have had enough of the lies now which is why they have come out and even stated that the icu are not non vax but people who have been vaccinated and why are they really in there because most of these people have other health issues which has always been the issue.

 


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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Flag 15 Nov 21 5.00pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort

If you have been infected with covid-19 you will have natural immunity do not think about antibodies and if they will only last 6 months etc that is again another one of these misleading messages they have put out we do not work like this.

The people who have already had the virus and than go to get vaccinated are the ones which have shown to be having a lot of after issues.

Antibodies do not just float around all the time you create what you need this is how natural immunity works.

The problem with these vaccines is they have been created for profit not health why treat the problem with one jab when you can scare people into having one or more every year. (this is the same with many medical treatments its disease management not prevention or curing people)

They knew this it was published at the beginning these vaccines was leaky and would cause a variant war in the future they didn't care this is what they want look how much money has been made already from a virus that has 99% recovery rate.

A lot of doctors have had enough of the lies now which is why they have come out and even stated that the icu are not non vax but people who have been vaccinated and why are they really in there because most of these people have other health issues which has always been the issue.

While Covid isn't exactly a flu, it's a respiratory illness and so I've treated it similarly in my mind.

I'm lucky that my system has always handed them well and while I had three pretty rough days with Covid I rebounded quite quickly....never had that breathing issue that others report but man that fatigue was bad.

I agree with you that whatever we think about intent or design this is definitely a money making machine and as puny pawns we are all being moved across the corporate chessboard.

If I'm right about covid being similar to the flu then I don't think my antibodies will last forever......Independent of whether I took a vaccine I'll probably catch covid again at some point.

I'll keep my eyes on how things develop.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 5.02pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

While Covid isn't exactly a flu, it's a respiratory illness and so I've treated it similarly in my mind.

I'm lucky that my system has always handed them well and while I had three pretty rough days with Covid I rebounded quite quickly....never had that breathing issue that others report but man that fatigue was bad.

I agree with you that whatever we think about intent or design this is definitely a money making machine and as puny pawns we are all being moved across the corporate chessboard.

If I'm right about covid being similar to the flu then I don't think my antibodies will last forever......Independent of whether I took a vaccine I'll probably catch covid again at some point.

I'll keep my eyes on how things develop.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 5.02pm)


People appear to have forgotten even the flu kills millions each year world wide.

Vitamin D is very important not only for covid and it is something people in the UK are really lacking (a good source of it is important not the cheap supermarket type)

The fatigue with Vitamin D and eating a good diet will help also keep hydrated with water etc not cofee/tea another mistake people make is they are sick and end up loading up on high carbs.

Antibodies production happens when you fight infection so in this case lets say you are infected with the same variant as you just was a year later your system will have no trouble with this it is when you get mutations etc the issues happen.

The flu changes every year which is why it is an issue for groups of people the other problem as is with covid health status a lot of people are not living healthy lifes.

 


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Originally posted by grumpymort


People appear to have forgotten even the flu kills millions each year world wide.

Vitamin D is very important not only for covid and it is something people in the UK are really lacking (a good source of it is important not the cheap supermarket type)

The fatigue with Vitamin D and eating a good diet will help also keep hydrated with water etc not cofee/tea another mistake people make is they are sick and end up loading up on high carbs.

Antibodies production happens when you fight infection so in this case lets say you are infected with the same variant as you just was a year later your system will have no trouble with this it is when you get mutations etc the issues happen.

The flu changes every year which is why it is an issue for groups of people the other problem as is with covid health status a lot of people are not living healthy lifes.

Yep I agree, I'd add that with these types of heavily circulated illness the mutations are significant enough over time to cause re-infection.

I think they have been rather quiet about the fact that it'll be different depending upon the individual's immune system strength and what variations of covid are local to them....how much exposure they get etc.

I haven't taken a vaccine mostly because I never seem to pick up what's going around that easily and I regard the current offerings as beta vaccines, (though more information is becoming available) plus how it's all been presented and manipulated has annoyed me.....However, if I were older/more frail then that risk calculation would change.....It was a 60/40 against decision for me.

 


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Originally posted by croydon proud

I will have to look it up, haven"t heard of it, yes, it would be interesting to know what they are taking, or better still aren"t taking! I had my first 2 but am a tad unimpressed with the experts giving information again on tv, especially after the Oxford vax that was the best thing since the wheel , was suddenly dropped with no reason.

All the boosters are now Pfizer. Not sure my self as had AZ jabs 1 and 2. Heard stories that this Pfizer can really give you a bad
Effect. Bit wary atm same as you.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 15 Nov 21 8.00pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


The people who have already had the virus and than go to get vaccinated are the ones which have shown to be having a lot of after issues.

If you have any studies or data to support this feel free to post them (as you're fond of asking others). As far as I know there is nothing to support this, and additionally immunity and protection has been shown to be greater in people who have had covid 'and' been vaccinated as opposed to either in isolation (as is a perfectly logical outcome).

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The problem with these vaccines is they have been created for profit not health why treat the problem with one jab when you can scare people into having one or more every year. (this is the same with many medical treatments its disease management not prevention or curing people)

With any virus that changes over time, it's not going to be a one and done. However, a combination of vaccination and natural infection (and unfortunately the most susceptible dropping dead) will likely see us through. I expect two or three years down the line it will be a 'flu jab' situation almost entirely (as in the elderly having an annual jab and others having enough natural exposure and help from past vaccines that covid is far less noticeable in society and less of a concern). I'll leave it at that to avoid a potential endless back and forth.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 8.30pm)

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 15 Nov 21 8.28pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Certainly considering the number of drugs he's used to pumping into his system I didn't expect him to take his particular position on these vaccines.

Similar to Tim Pool, He certainly didn't tough it out and take to his bed like most have to do.....He went full flamethrower.

I can remember, thinking about it he was always skeptical and critical of big pharma ....maybe I'm misremembering as I stopped watching regularly when he went to Spotify or however it's spelt.

God knows, but I remember Rogan frequently changing his position a bit...usually depending upon who he was talking to....though to be fair to him he did get better on that.

Good at his job though....Regardless of what people think of Alex Jones those podcasts were some of the funniest and entertaining I've watched.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Nov 2021 4.22pm)

Yes, he does come across quite different depending on who he's talking to, not as though I see that as much of a negative because I think he's always been interested in people, and wants to hear what their take is and where they are coming from. As you say, that's possibly why his views can often seem to evolve. Well suited to his job really, as more of a listening role as anything. He certainly has very varied and interesting guests on his show. The Alex Jones ones were something else haha, and clued me into comedian Tim Dillon, who is often very intentionally offensive and OTT but as its hilariously done he gets away with it. More Conservative but mocks left and right [Link] \ [Link] \


 

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Originally posted by cryrst

All the boosters are now Pfizer. Not sure my self as had AZ jabs 1 and 2. Heard stories that this Pfizer can really give you a bad
Effect. Bit wary atm same as you.

I had no ill effects with Pfizer, But my neighbours who went for Moderna were knocked out for days.

 

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Originally posted by BlueJay

With any virus that changes over time, it's not going to be a one and done. However, a combination of vaccination and natural infection (and unfortunately the most susceptible dropping dead) will likely see us through. I expect two or three years down the line it will be a 'flu jab' situation almost entirely (as in the elderly having an annual jab and others having enough natural exposure and help from past vaccines that covid is far less noticeable in society and less of a concern). I'll leave it at that to avoid a potential endless back and forth.

Edited by BlueJay (15 Nov 2021 8.30pm)


Regarding your first bit which for some reason is not added to the quote about studies none why is that again as has been stated its not in the interest of these people to conduct them that shows this result the same with no real studies had been done regarding anything to do with this vaccine (look who all the studies are funded by enough said on that subject)

The data is from real world reporting and medical professionals who have left the profession because of the lies.

Read the studies which claim having the vaccine after having the virus is good for you they are pseudoscience appealing to people who have no clue what they are reading the type of information the media likes to use.

This virus has not really changed variants are not really a problem its mutations that are (the variants so far have shown to spread faster but are weaker)

These people clearly came out and stated you should not mix vaccines but now they are claiming it is 100% safe and good for you again no proper controlled studies have been done they are making it up as they please (they can get away with whatever they like and years to come if people get very sick etc you cant prove causation making it easy to hide)

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Originally posted by grumpymort


People appear to have forgotten even the flu kills millions each year world wide.

Vitamin D is very important not only for covid and it is something people in the UK are really lacking (a good source of it is important not the cheap supermarket type)

The fatigue with Vitamin D and eating a good diet will help also keep hydrated with water etc not cofee/tea another mistake people make is they are sick and end up loading up on high carbs.

Antibodies production happens when you fight infection so in this case lets say you are infected with the same variant as you just was a year later your system will have no trouble with this it is when you get mutations etc the issues happen.

The flu changes every year which is why it is an issue for groups of people the other problem as is with covid health status a lot of people are not living healthy lifes.

Can you quote some medical extracts for the vitamin D's impact on covid. I've read several that suggest that it controversial, and there is not enough evidence as yet to make a scientific determination.. So the it could be effective,or it may not.

In respect of not mixing jabs, I feel it was a political decision when it was found the AZ was so less effective that Pfizer and Modena to stop people demanding better protection. Now they can give everyone a dose of the better vaccine under the guise of a booster.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 16 Nov 21 1.06pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Grumbles

Can you quote some medical extracts for the vitamin D's impact on covid. I've read several that suggest that it controversial, and there is not enough evidence as yet to make a scientific determination.. So the it could be effective,or it may not.

In respect of not mixing jabs, I feel it was a political decision when it was found the AZ was so less effective that Pfizer and Modena to stop people demanding better protection. Now they can give everyone a dose of the better vaccine under the guise of a booster.

There are various studies on this either side really. It was something that was latched onto in the beginning with covid as some view Vitamin D to be the latest generalised cure-all / panacea. There are certainly positive covid Vitamin D studies, as well as some suggesting it does sod all.

I'd say that the general consensus healthwise is that it's good to have reasonably high vitamin D levels for various reasons, but that some of its benefits are as likely correlation as correlation (higher levels biased towards those who enjoy the great outdoors, lower for those stuck inside etc). For what it's worth I achieved pretty high vitamin D levels through supplementation over time, so I certainly am not against acknowledge actual benefits of it may exist. I just very much doubt it did anything for my experience with covid.


 

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