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PatrickA London 28 Jan 21 11.13am
A difficulty with the argument of the Hodgson apologists is that their opinion that Hodgson is getting the best possible out of the available squad is stated as certain fact. Nobody can say that for sure, and I would be interested to see what another manager would do with the squad. Hodgson has kept us up - but so did Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce, so staying up in itself is not a notable achievement. Perhaps a new manager would not persist with Luka and Townsend, would play Eze in his correct position and not allow us to be continually overrun in midfield. Perhaps a new manager would not be accepting at 3-1 down to West Ham on 60 mins that the game was gone and be more concerned about the opponents ‘aggravating the score’ as Hodgson called it. I doubt ‘Crystalbul’ would have happened under Hodgson.
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London 28 Jan 21 11.13am

A difficulty with the argument of the Hodgson apologists is that their opinion that Hodgson is getting the best possible out of the available squad is stated as certain fact.
Nobody can say that for sure, and I would be interested to see what another manager would do with the squad.
Hodgson has kept us up - but so did Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce, so staying up in itself is not a notable achievement.
Perhaps a new manager would not persist with Luka and Townsend, would play Eze in his correct position and not allow us to be continually overrun in midfield.
Perhaps a new manager would not be accepting at 3-1 down to West Ham on 60 mins that the game was gone and be more concerned about the opponents ‘aggravating the score’ as Hodgson called it.
I doubt ‘Crystalbul’ would have happened under Hodgson.

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southnorwoodhill 28 Jan 21 11.22am
Originally posted by PatrickA A difficulty with the argument of the Hodgson apologists is that their opinion that Hodgson is getting the best possible out of the available squad is stated as certain fact. Nobody can say that for sure, and I would be interested to see what another manager would do with the squad. Hodgson has kept us up - but so did Pulis, Pardew and Allardyce, so staying up in itself is not a notable achievement. Perhaps a new manager would not persist with Luka and Townsend, would play Eze in his correct position and not allow us to be continually overrun in midfield. Perhaps a new manager would not be accepting at 3-1 down to West Ham on 60 mins that the game was gone and be more concerned about the opponents ‘aggravating the score’ as Hodgson called it. I doubt ‘Crystalbul’ would have happened under Hodgson. A commendable post. I did imagine to myself, what if? What if Lampard were to become our manager next week? How would the team line up?
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28 Jan 21 11.22am

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Originally posted by PatrickA

A commendable post. I did imagine to myself, what if? What if Lampard were to become our manager next week? How would the team line up?

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Steve T Cumbria 28 Jan 21 11.32am
Yes he is working with an old squad but that means playing to your strengths. We are getting over-run every week and yet he puts out the same players and same formation and expects things to change. I might be somewhat 'Off the mark' but I believe that the consensus of 'Roy In' faction is that he is having to work with an old squad, lacking in vigour,pace and energy and that the turgid football is a direct result of this fact. They also see an experienced manager who despite hardly any outlay in the 'Transfer Window' has kept us in the PL and will do so yet again.
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Cumbria 28 Jan 21 11.32am

Yes he is working with an old squad but that means playing to your strengths. We are getting over-run every week and yet he puts out the same players and same formation and expects things to change.

I might be somewhat 'Off the mark' but I believe that the consensus of 'Roy In' faction is that he is having to work with an old squad, lacking in vigour,pace and energy and that the turgid football is a direct result of this fact.
They also see an experienced manager who despite hardly any outlay in the 'Transfer Window' has kept us in the PL and will do so yet again.

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jeeagles 28 Jan 21 11.40am
Originally posted by thai-eagle I just do not get it, that a manager experienced as Roy, does not see that his system is not working? Wish someone powerful could inform him. Some people seem to think you gain experience just by being around for a long time. You gain experience through learning from situations. Roy doesn't learn from situations. He is stubborn and just does the same thing over and over again no matter how incorrect he is. It's a very bad trait. It seems to be covered up by the fact his outgoing appearance is placid and non threatening. Which doesn't reflect his rigid, uncompromising approach to tactics. It's Roy's way or the highway for our players, but he's too well media trained and disingenuous to openly state his own views in a interview. He just regurgitate clichés and leaves players out in the cold. That's why people think he's a nice old chap. He's really a bit of a weasel. Would have made an excellent politician. Edited by jeeagles (28 Jan 2021 11.41am)
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28 Jan 21 11.40am

Originally posted by thai-eagle

I just do not get it, that a manager experienced as Roy, does not see that his system is not working?
Wish someone powerful could inform him.

Some people seem to think you gain experience just by being around for a long time.

You gain experience through learning from situations.

Roy doesn't learn from situations. He is stubborn and just does the same thing over and over again no matter how incorrect he is.

It's a very bad trait.

It seems to be covered up by the fact his outgoing appearance is placid and non threatening. Which doesn't reflect his rigid, uncompromising approach to tactics.

It's Roy's way or the highway for our players, but he's too well media trained and disingenuous to openly state his own views in a interview. He just regurgitate clichés and leaves players out in the cold.

That's why people think he's a nice old chap. He's really a bit of a weasel. Would have made an excellent politician.

Edited by jeeagles (28 Jan 2021 11.41am)

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Jacey 28 Jan 21 11.49am
So Frank is on his way?? [Link]
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28 Jan 21 11.49am

So Frank is on his way??

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EddieMac 28 Jan 21 12.01pm
Originally posted by Jacey So Frank is on his way?? [Link] We’d be nailed on for relegation with this team and him in charge. He wouldn’t know where to start. I honestly believe Lampard will never be seen managing a team in a topleage ever again.
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EddieMac

28 Jan 21 12.01pm

Originally posted by Jacey

So Frank is on his way??

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We’d be nailed on for relegation with this team and him in charge. He wouldn’t know where to start. I honestly believe Lampard will never be seen managing a team in a topleage ever again.

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 28 Jan 21 1.54pm
Originally posted by TheBigToePunt It was every bit as bad. It's just that neither of them stuck around long enough for anyone to get bored of them. we did have a go at teams under them though. It wasn't always pretty but we tried to take the game to other teams, tried to score and win, and it was often exciting. We don't do that any more.
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Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

It was every bit as bad. It's just that neither of them stuck around long enough for anyone to get bored of them.

we did have a go at teams under them though. It wasn't always pretty but we tried to take the game to other teams, tried to score and win, and it was often exciting. We don't do that any more.

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jeeagles 28 Jan 21 2.17pm
Originally posted by Frickin Saweet we did have a go at teams under them though. It wasn't always pretty but we tried to take the game to other teams, tried to score and win, and it was often exciting. We don't do that any more. We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch. No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper.
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jeeagles

28 Jan 21 2.17pm

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

we did have a go at teams under them though. It wasn't always pretty but we tried to take the game to other teams, tried to score and win, and it was often exciting. We don't do that any more.

We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch.

No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Jan 21 2.21pm
Originally posted by EddieMac We’d be nailed on for relegation with this team and him in charge. He wouldn’t know where to start. I honestly believe Lampard will never be seen managing a team in a topleage ever again. Brave, but I am glad you said it, at least I'm not the only one that thinks along these lines. Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 28 Jan 21 2.21pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

We’d be nailed on for relegation with this team and him in charge. He wouldn’t know where to start. I honestly believe Lampard will never be seen managing a team in a topleage ever again.

Brave, but I am glad you said it, at least I'm not the only one that thinks along these lines.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jan 21 2.24pm
Originally posted by jeeagles We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch. No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper. We have not had a settled back four we have had issues in central defence with injuries and perhaps the need for extra protection for the last line has been required. Furthermore our ageing players across the pitch have got that much older. I always felt that physicality would be an issue this season with the fixture schedule and the limited time between seasons.
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Willo

South coast - west of Brighton. 28 Jan 21 2.24pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch.

No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper.

We have not had a settled back four we have had issues in central defence with injuries and perhaps the need for extra protection for the last line has been required.
Furthermore our ageing players across the pitch have got that much older.

I always felt that physicality would be an issue this season with the fixture schedule and the limited time between seasons.

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PZ Eagle Penzance 28 Jan 21 3.01pm
If Steve Parish and the Yanks were to say if we lose to Wolves Hodgson will be sacked how many posters, if any, would be wanting us to lose? My answer would be NO because I never have and never would want us to lose under any circumstances. Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.
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Penzance 28 Jan 21 3.01pm

If Steve Parish and the Yanks were to say if we lose to Wolves Hodgson will be sacked how many posters, if any,
would be wanting us to lose?

My answer would be NO because I never have and never would want us to lose under any circumstances.

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Jan 21 3.17pm
Originally posted by jeeagles We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch. No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper. Under Pulis we defended from the front. Cameron Jerome pressed the opposition defenders in a way that Benteke never has. Old, Ungifted and White
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NEILLO

Shoreham-by-Sea 28 Jan 21 3.17pm

Originally posted by jeeagles

We used to sit back, but used to harass attacking players when they got in our half. There was always someone pressing the man on the ball which was enjoyable to watch.

No we just sit back a bit, then sit a bit deeper, then a bit deeper.

Under Pulis we defended from the front. Cameron Jerome pressed the opposition defenders in a way that Benteke never has.

Old, Ungifted and White

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