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cryrst The garden of England 11 Feb 21 7.40am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option. however, what all you fans who want roy sacked can not do, is put any options on the table as viable replacements to replace him. not one viable option, yet you still want the guy who achieves & progresses the club year on year sacked. with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension. If by tools, you mean the players then yes sometimes they are. Alternatively different people use tools in a different way, sometimes in a more efficient way with better results.
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The garden of England 11 Feb 21 7.40am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option.

however, what all you fans who want roy sacked can not do, is put any options on the table as viable replacements to replace him. not one viable option, yet you still want the guy who achieves & progresses the club year on year sacked.

with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension.

If by tools, you mean the players then yes sometimes they are. Alternatively different people use tools in a different way, sometimes in a more efficient way with better results.

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PatrickA London 11 Feb 21 7.46am
Is it the role of fans to be able to provide a viable alternative manager before venturing an opinion as to whether Hodgson should stand down at the end of the season? This is clearly absurd. How many of us are directly involved in the industry, have contacts with the agents/representatives of managers or any awareness at all of the managerial market? Were Leicester fans wrong to look for a managerial change when Puel was in charge because they didn’t know who might be able to replace him? Look at them now - playing attractive football and showing real signs of improvement. Taking into account Hodgson’s age, I’m sure Parish will be aware of the managerial market and viable options. And I’ve no doubt there would be plenty of candidates. As others have pointed out there’s a healthy salary on offer and the nucleus of a decent squad, albeit one that will need refreshment; as Parish has acknowledged and started to implement.
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Is it the role of fans to be able to provide a viable alternative manager before venturing an opinion as to whether Hodgson should stand down at the end of the season?
This is clearly absurd.
How many of us are directly involved in the industry, have contacts with the agents/representatives of managers or any awareness at all of the managerial market?
Were Leicester fans wrong to look for a managerial change when Puel was in charge because they didn’t know who might be able to replace him? Look at them now - playing attractive football and showing real signs of improvement.
Taking into account Hodgson’s age, I’m sure Parish will be aware of the managerial market and viable options.
And I’ve no doubt there would be plenty of candidates.
As others have pointed out there’s a healthy salary on offer and the nucleus of a decent squad, albeit one that will need refreshment; as Parish has acknowledged and started to implement.

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Eaglecoops CR3 11 Feb 21 9.02am
Originally posted by PatrickA Is it the role of fans to be able to provide a viable alternative manager before venturing an opinion as to whether Hodgson should stand down at the end of the season? This is clearly absurd. How many of us are directly involved in the industry, have contacts with the agents/representatives of managers or any awareness at all of the managerial market? Were Leicester fans wrong to look for a managerial change when Puel was in charge because they didn’t know who might be able to replace him? Look at them now - playing attractive football and showing real signs of improvement. Taking into account Hodgson’s age, I’m sure Parish will be aware of the managerial market and viable options. And I’ve no doubt there would be plenty of candidates. As others have pointed out there’s a healthy salary on offer and the nucleus of a decent squad, albeit one that will need refreshment; as Parish has acknowledged and started to implement. 100% Patrick.
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Originally posted by PatrickA

100% Patrick.

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Tickled pink Cornwall 11 Feb 21 9.02am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option. however, what all you fans who want roy sacked can not do, is put any options on the table as viable replacements to replace him. not one viable option, yet you still want the guy who achieves & progresses the club year on year sacked. with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension. Of course that's common sense and wouldn't be the end of the world although some fans will think it is, but I feel he'd at last keep us up but this task will eventually become futile if we don't strengthen our squad before next season. finding someone to take over from Mr Hodgson is going to be a gamble, but we need whoever does to take over a squad in this league, relegation now with us in the situation we are in doesn't bear thinking about.
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Cornwall 11 Feb 21 9.02am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option.

with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension.

Of course that's common sense and wouldn't be the end of the world although some fans will think it is, but I feel he'd at last keep us up but this task will eventually become futile if we don't strengthen our squad before next season.
finding someone to take over from Mr Hodgson is going to be a gamble, but we need whoever does to take over a squad in this league, relegation now with us in the situation we are in doesn't bear thinking about.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 9.39am
I recall hearing that Southampton were constantly working to identify future managers and this might be the case to this day. Southampton had a list of potential appointments to consider as soon as Pochettino resigned. They wanted Pochettino to remain at the club but there was always the possibility, as there is at any time in a manager’s tenure they might part company. Southampton's view was that there has to be a succession plan and they possibly had up to 10 candidates on a list of potential candidates. Some time before the departure of Pochettino, they began updating and making sure they knew the status of those candidates.They appointed Koeman to replace Pochettino. Like targeting players and doing the background analysis and due diligence they have always done the same process with regard to managers and coaches. Despite all their analysis they did appoint Pellegrino who never lasted a season and Southampton were 17th when he departed after 30 PL games! Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 9.41am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 11 Feb 21 9.39am

I recall hearing that Southampton were constantly working to identify future managers and this might be the case to this day.

Southampton had a list of potential appointments to consider as soon as Pochettino resigned.
They wanted Pochettino to remain at the club but there was always the possibility, as there is at any time in a manager’s tenure they might part company.

Southampton's view was that there has to be a succession plan and they possibly had up to 10 candidates on a list of potential candidates.
Some time before the departure of Pochettino, they began updating and making sure they knew the status of those candidates.They appointed Koeman to replace Pochettino.

Like targeting players and doing the background analysis and due diligence they have always done the same process with regard to managers and coaches.

Despite all their analysis they did appoint Pellegrino who never lasted a season and Southampton were 17th when he departed after 30 PL games!

Edited by Willo (11 Feb 2021 9.41am)

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 11 Feb 21 10.01am
Originally posted by PZ Eagle Your reference to North Korea is puerile at best, come up with something better. I have not said we should be happy clappy at all. However when I read a lot of this forum especially a match thread where we go a goal behind and read some of the vitriol that is spouted against the players and the Manager of the club I have supported since a boy I have to question whether they are real fans at all. Reasoned criticism is different to the continual bitching and moaning that goes on. FFS can't people enjoy watching when we can see world class players even if they are on the other side. Yes there were exciting times in the past when we winning 9-2, 9-0, and watching Johnny Byrne in action. But those days are long gone and we have to live in the present and the reality is we are in the top league in Europe with teams awash with money and huge stadiums and it's not easy without the big money men to get us where we would all like to be. Meanwhile we are 13th in this league with 29 points so we can't be as bad as all that or we would be below Sheff Utd and propping up the league and heading for the Championship. I'm a Palace supporter. I don't watch matches to be entertained by the opposition out-performing us in every area of the pitch. I take no satisfaction in that whatsoever and if anything it compounds my reason for being hugely dissatisfied with where we are right now, which is why we'll find no common ground. Which is ok I guess, each to their own.
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Originally posted by PZ Eagle

Your reference to North Korea is puerile at best, come up with something better. I have not said we should be happy clappy at all. However when I read a lot of this forum especially a match thread where we go a goal behind and read some of the vitriol that is spouted against the players and the Manager of the club I have supported since a boy I have to question whether they are real fans at all. Reasoned criticism is different to the continual bitching and moaning that goes on. FFS
can't people enjoy watching when we can see world class players even if they are on the other side. Yes there were exciting times in the past when we winning 9-2, 9-0, and watching Johnny Byrne in action. But those days are long gone and we have to live in the present and the reality is we are in the top league in Europe with teams awash with money and huge stadiums and it's not easy without the big money men to get us where we would all like to be. Meanwhile we are 13th in this league with 29 points so we can't be as bad as all that or we would be below Sheff Utd and propping up the league and heading for the Championship.

I'm a Palace supporter. I don't watch matches to be entertained by the opposition out-performing us in every area of the pitch. I take no satisfaction in that whatsoever and if anything it compounds my reason for being hugely dissatisfied with where we are right now, which is why we'll find no common ground. Which is ok I guess, each to their own.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Feb 21 10.41am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle you are of course correct, but when a opinion has not been attained using facts & well reasoned thought process it does not hold much gravitas. Football is full of facts and most sides of arguments can use them to justify most thought processes. And as to what constitutes a well reasoned thought process, that is again subjective depending on one's own stance. This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides. From my perspective, it could be boiled down to those who are more risk averse and those who are not. Or those who value entertainment over status, a combination of both or the grey in between such as considering Roy staying being a risk in itself which again could be backed up by facts. Whatever your stance, nobody cannot claim it to be 'fact' without the hindsight of seeing every hypothetical situation play out, which is impossible. And as previously mentioned, nobody can claim to have 'greater footballing knowledge' than anyone else. I would claim our football of late to be sh!t, representing no value for entertainment and very worrying, but that's only my opinion no matter how I justify it. What I do loathe is people constantly jumping on other's posts and using childish, weird sort of virtue signalling claims like calling others 'plastic' or 'not real' fans, 'bedwetters' or claiming people know 'nothing about football'. It's football FFS, its a funny old game and part of its beauty is it is always open to opinion. Who'd of thought Leicester, who'd of thought Palace 8 years in the prem 10 years ago, who of us thought FdB would was a good idea, who'd of thought David Moyes doing so well back at WHU etc etc etc etc infinity. If people want to have a moan let them, that's surely part of the deal of being a football fan isn't it? if people think Roy out that's fair enough, as if they do Roy in. By all means post your own opinions, or counter others, but don't claim your opinions as 'fact' to dismiss all opposition, its ridiculous. Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant, I'll blame the light ales no doubt COYP Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 11 Feb 21 10.41am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

you are of course correct, but when a opinion has not been attained using facts & well reasoned thought process it does not hold much gravitas.

Football is full of facts and most sides of arguments can use them to justify most thought processes. And as to what constitutes a well reasoned thought process, that is again subjective depending on one's own stance.

This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides.

From my perspective, it could be boiled down to those who are more risk averse and those who are not. Or those who value entertainment over status, a combination of both or the grey in between such as considering Roy staying being a risk in itself which again could be backed up by facts.

Whatever your stance, nobody cannot claim it to be 'fact' without the hindsight of seeing every hypothetical situation play out, which is impossible. And as previously mentioned, nobody can claim to have 'greater footballing knowledge' than anyone else. I would claim our football of late to be sh!t, representing no value for entertainment and very worrying, but that's only my opinion no matter how I justify it.

What I do loathe is people constantly jumping on other's posts and using childish, weird sort of virtue signalling claims like calling others 'plastic' or 'not real' fans, 'bedwetters' or claiming people know 'nothing about football'.

It's football FFS, its a funny old game and part of its beauty is it is always open to opinion. Who'd of thought Leicester, who'd of thought Palace 8 years in the prem 10 years ago, who of us thought FdB would was a good idea, who'd of thought David Moyes doing so well back at WHU etc etc etc etc infinity.

If people want to have a moan let them, that's surely part of the deal of being a football fan isn't it? if people think Roy out that's fair enough, as if they do Roy in. By all means post your own opinions, or counter others, but don't claim your opinions as 'fact' to dismiss all opposition, its ridiculous.

Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant,
I'll blame the light ales no doubt

COYP

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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Elphers40 Northants 11 Feb 21 10.49am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Football is full of facts and most sides of arguments can use them to justify most thought processes. And as to what constitutes a well reasoned thought process, that is again subjective depending on one's own stance. This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides. From my perspective, it could be boiled down to those who are more risk averse and those who are not. Or those who value entertainment over status, a combination of both or the grey in between such as considering Roy staying being a risk in itself which again could be backed up by facts. Whatever your stance, nobody cannot claim it to be 'fact' without the hindsight of seeing every hypothetical situation play out, which is impossible. And as previously mentioned, nobody can claim to have 'greater footballing knowledge' than anyone else. I would claim our football of late to be sh!t, representing no value for entertainment and very worrying, but that's only my opinion no matter how I justify it. What I do loathe is people constantly jumping on other's posts and using childish, weird sort of virtue signalling claims like calling others 'plastic' or 'not real' fans, 'bedwetters' or claiming people know 'nothing about football'. It's football FFS, its a funny old game and part of its beauty is it is always open to opinion. Who'd of thought Leicester, who'd of thought Palace 8 years in the prem 10 years ago, who of us thought FdB would was a good idea, who'd of thought David Moyes doing so well back at WHU etc etc etc etc infinity. If people want to have a moan let them, that's surely part of the deal of being a football fan isn't it? if people think Roy out that's fair enough, as if they do Roy in. By all means post your own opinions, or counter others, but don't claim your opinions as 'fact' to dismiss all opposition, its ridiculous. Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant, I'll blame the light ales no doubt COYP Spot on! Very well put.
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Originally posted by Nicholas91

This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides.

Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant,
I'll blame the light ales no doubt

COYP

Spot on! Very well put.

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crystal-purley Purley 11 Feb 21 11.10am
Originally posted by Nicholas91 Football is full of facts and most sides of arguments can use them to justify most thought processes. And as to what constitutes a well reasoned thought process, that is again subjective depending on one's own stance. This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides. From my perspective, it could be boiled down to those who are more risk averse and those who are not. Or those who value entertainment over status, a combination of both or the grey in between such as considering Roy staying being a risk in itself which again could be backed up by facts. Whatever your stance, nobody cannot claim it to be 'fact' without the hindsight of seeing every hypothetical situation play out, which is impossible. And as previously mentioned, nobody can claim to have 'greater footballing knowledge' than anyone else. I would claim our football of late to be sh!t, representing no value for entertainment and very worrying, but that's only my opinion no matter how I justify it. What I do loathe is people constantly jumping on other's posts and using childish, weird sort of virtue signalling claims like calling others 'plastic' or 'not real' fans, 'bedwetters' or claiming people know 'nothing about football'. It's football FFS, its a funny old game and part of its beauty is it is always open to opinion. Who'd of thought Leicester, who'd of thought Palace 8 years in the prem 10 years ago, who of us thought FdB would was a good idea, who'd of thought David Moyes doing so well back at WHU etc etc etc etc infinity. If people want to have a moan let them, that's surely part of the deal of being a football fan isn't it? if people think Roy out that's fair enough, as if they do Roy in. By all means post your own opinions, or counter others, but don't claim your opinions as 'fact' to dismiss all opposition, its ridiculous. Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant, I'll blame the light ales no doubt COYP Hear Hear Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).
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Originally posted by Nicholas91

This is a 'Roy Out' thread, concerning opinions on whether the manager should stay or go, there are legitimate arguments on both sides.

Some smart a**e can go back and find my previous posts now where I will directly contradict this lengthy rant,
I'll blame the light ales no doubt

COYP

Hear Hear

Enjoying getting up later and not having someone who knows better than me (apart from the missus of course).

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Master Coin 11 Feb 21 11.33am
Originally posted by braunstoneagle tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option. however, what all you fans who want roy sacked can not do, is put any options on the table as viable replacements to replace him. not one viable option, yet you still want the guy who achieves & progresses the club year on year sacked. with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension. His record without Zaha is totally damning. People who say Roy keeps us in the league are wrong. Zaha keeps us in the league in spite of Hodgson.
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11 Feb 21 11.33am

Originally posted by braunstoneagle

tbf as a long term supporter of roy, who is doing a amazing job given the tools at his disposal, i more than understand roy is not a long term option.

with this in mind, given the stability needed to oversee this summers squad upheavel...i really, really hope roy signs a new 1 year extension.

His record without Zaha is totally damning. People who say Roy keeps us in the league are wrong. Zaha keeps us in the league in spite of Hodgson.

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Eaglecoops CR3 11 Feb 21 12.03pm
Originally posted by Master Coin His record without Zaha is totally damning. People who say Roy keeps us in the league are wrong. Zaha keeps us in the league in spite of Hodgson. In short, that appears to be true whether you are watching it live and having to experience the dross we play, or utilising facts to justify it. I think it is only 2 in 21 we have won without Zaha and hardly scored a goal in the process? That is a damning statistic for sure.
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Originally posted by Master Coin

His record without Zaha is totally damning. People who say Roy keeps us in the league are wrong. Zaha keeps us in the league in spite of Hodgson.

In short, that appears to be true whether you are watching it live and having to experience the dross we play, or utilising facts to justify it.

I think it is only 2 in 21 we have won without Zaha and hardly scored a goal in the process? That is a damning statistic for sure.

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Putitout Oxford 11 Feb 21 1.25pm
Originally posted by Eaglecoops In short, that appears to be true whether you are watching it live and having to experience the dross we play, or utilising facts to justify it. I think it is only 2 in 21 we have won without Zaha and hardly scored a goal in the process? That is a damning statistic for sure. It is a damning statistic, but is it so damning of Hodgson, the fact that when Wilf , is out no one member , or group within the group can step up enough to obtain results without him?
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Originally posted by Eaglecoops

In short, that appears to be true whether you are watching it live and having to experience the dross we play, or utilising facts to justify it.

I think it is only 2 in 21 we have won without Zaha and hardly scored a goal in the process? That is a damning statistic for sure.

It is a damning statistic, but is it so damning of Hodgson, the fact that when Wilf , is out no one member , or group within the group can step up enough to obtain results without him?

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