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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 12.28pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

With respect, I don't view it in terms of 'Triumphalism', I am merely looking at the picture from different points of view.

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 25 Feb 21 12.29pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Putitout

I don’t think anyone would be to unhappy at the fact he has a naughty streak . If he can play, and the the more you see of this boy he can. Some of the very best midfielders throughout the years have not been angels. Luca, is all about braking play up , stopping movements from developing. Gallagher, will sit in and can do all of that ,
But he can play on the front foot just as comfortable , in a way we don’t see from Milo. We have a problem most games in the transition from defence to offence, he would help that no end.

100% this. Every team needs a no nonsense midfielder and I see a big future for this player. Our only chance of getting him IMO is if we go after him early, otherwise his home club may well bring him back to play for them. I suppose if worse came to worse we could send Bats back next year and take him on a years loan ourselves.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 12.35pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

100% this. Every team needs a no nonsense midfielder and I see a big future for this player. Our only chance of getting him IMO is if we go after him early, otherwise his home club may well bring him back to play for them. I suppose if worse came to worse we could send Bats back next year and take him on a years loan ourselves.

I have been in recent discussions with a chap apropos Gallagher and we commented on the fact that he is no stranger to yellow cards having collected 20 since the start of last season.

He comes from a family of Chelsea supporters and in the Chelsea academy, Gallagher,Brewster and Guehi were very good chums.

 

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View rikz's Profile rikz Flag Croydon 25 Feb 21 1.30pm Send a Private Message to rikz Add rikz as a friend

Not sure why people seem to think it's somewhat impossible to actually have a go in the majority of games and actually try to win. Leeds manage it, with a lesser squad and have more points, this is purely down to management.

I dont think Roy has done a bad or good job but the last game I actually enjoyed was utd and that was the second game of the season ffs sick of all this talk about money and club infrastructure, the importance of remaining in the prem. First and foremost its a competitive sport and we should be competing to win, with maybe the exception of City and Liverpool away then you don't mind the manager looking for a draw.

Well done to Roy for our "resilient" performance against Brighton when in reality we defended for our lives for 90 minutes and was very fortunate our strikers were as clinical as they've been.

Plus like I've said regardless of if you support him or not, his age is a issue.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 1.57pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by rikz

Not sure why people seem to think it's somewhat impossible to actually have a go in the majority of games and actually try to win. Leeds manage it, with a lesser squad and have more points, this is purely down to management.

I dont think Roy has done a bad or good job but the last game I actually enjoyed was utd and that was the second game of the season ffs sick of all this talk about money and club infrastructure, the importance of remaining in the prem. First and foremost its a competitive sport and we should be competing to win, with maybe the exception of City and Liverpool away then you don't mind the manager looking for a draw.

Well done to Roy for our "resilient" performance against Brighton when in reality we defended for our lives for 90 minutes and was very fortunate our strikers were as clinical as they've been.

Plus like I've said regardless of if you support him or not, his age is a issue.

With the passage of time,comes experience and Mr Hodgson has been in management for some 44 years.Let us not forget that Ray Lewington is also vastly experienced.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 25 Feb 21 3.43pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I don’t see it in terms of triumphalism either.
However, it almost appears that you are willing to suspend judgement on Hodgson because you continually assert that he has met the objectives of the owners as if this is the only criteria that matters.
At the same times as a fan you continually criticise performances, suggest we are strong candidates for relegation and bemoan our negativity in approach.
My point is that when I watch the performances and defeats v Chelsea, Burnley (twice), Newcastle, Villa, Wolves and Leeds I don’t think all is well merely because Hodgson may be meeting the owners’ objectives of keeping us up.
It’s not a criticism of you, it’s just an observation that I like to be reasonably entertained by my team and have no wish to suspend judgement as you are perhaps prepared to do owing to the fact that Hodgson has met the owners’ objectives.

Originally posted by Willo

With respect, I don't view it in terms of 'Triumphalism', I am merely looking at the picture from different points of view.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 3.57pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

I don’t see it in terms of triumphalism either.
However, it almost appears that you are willing to suspend judgement on Hodgson because you continually assert that he has met the objectives of the owners as if this is the only criteria that matters.
At the same times as a fan you continually criticise performances, suggest we are strong candidates for relegation and bemoan our negativity in approach.
My point is that when I watch the performances and defeats v Chelsea, Burnley (twice), Newcastle, Villa, Wolves and Leeds I don’t think all is well merely because Hodgson may be meeting the owners’ objectives of keeping us up.
It’s not a criticism of you, it’s just an observation that I like to be reasonably entertained by my team and have no wish to suspend judgement as you are perhaps prepared to do owing to the fact that Hodgson has met the owners’ objectives.

Nobody is above criticism least of all a cerebrally challenged chap like 'Yours Truly' !

With respect I have not suspended judgement on Mr Hodgson due to the fact that he has met his objectives.
I believe I have consistently asserted that he has kept us in the PL season-on-season on a relative meagre spend, accordingly I recognise the admirable job he has done in the circumstances even though the football has been far from entertaining.

Supporters of teams lower down the pyramid who perhaps play more expansive games would really love to be in our position!

 

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View TheBigToePunt's Profile TheBigToePunt Flag 25 Feb 21 4.08pm Send a Private Message to TheBigToePunt Add TheBigToePunt as a friend

Gallagher has promise, and a bit of fire in the belly it seems. In fact, he seemed to do something to invite the ire of our senior players when we won at West Brom this year judging by the unusually firm manner in which they put him back in his box. And back in his box he was very much placed, by the way.

More relevant is that he is young, talented, English, and from the academy of a big club. He will therefore cost at least double what an established top flight journeyman pro would cost, probably far more than he could sensibly be worth right now, and be a pretty big gamble therefore. Chelsea, Liverpool etc are all aware of the value of a player who has their 'brand name' attached, and charge accordingly.

These English kids from big clubs will only be allowed out to play if on loan, or if massive fees are paid. They never give them away cheap, even if they don't need them. See, Ibe, Solanke, Elliot, Loftus-Cheek, Abraham, Tomori etc.

We might get him on loan. We will need to use loans well this summer if we are in fact going to present the manager (whoever it may be) with a very new look squad next year.

I think Roy would like him actually...

 

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View Putitout's Profile Putitout Flag Oxford 25 Feb 21 4.46pm Send a Private Message to Putitout Add Putitout as a friend

Originally posted by TheBigToePunt

Gallagher has promise, and a bit of fire in the belly it seems. In fact, he seemed to do something to invite the ire of our senior players when we won at West Brom this year judging by the unusually firm manner in which they put him back in his box. And back in his box he was very much placed, by the way.

More relevant is that he is young, talented, English, and from the academy of a big club. He will therefore cost at least double what an established top flight journeyman pro would cost, probably far more than he could sensibly be worth right now, and be a pretty big gamble therefore. Chelsea, Liverpool etc are all aware of the value of a player who has their 'brand name' attached, and charge accordingly.

These English kids from big clubs will only be allowed out to play if on loan, or if massive fees are paid. They never give them away cheap, even if they don't need them. See, Ibe, Solanke, Elliot, Loftus-Cheek, Abraham, Tomori etc.

We might get him on loan. We will need to use loans well this summer if we are in fact going to present the manager (whoever it may be) with a very new look squad next year.

I think Roy would like him actually...

What you set out there is very true. It’s very much a part of the conundrum that the club has to cope with if it truly wants a permanent place in the Premier, hopefully playing attractive to watch, flowing football.
With regard to opinion for some on here , it’s a pointer to why the road to success in all aspects of what they would like for the club, is so much a case of only being able to have what you can afford.
The football market , where ever you shop is a matter of coming up with the price or go without. Just as with most other things.
The home grown market is particularly difficult,. But until such times as it becomes a market we can afford to deal in , the club will always be taking a huge risk attempting to play what for some is attractive football with players that are patently not up to it.
I say some call attractive football , because for me, if you lose to often, and you are going down the drain status wise , there is nothing attractive about it, until you find a way to win.
An add on to this is that if you slip out of this division into the Championship , trying to be more purist in your approach doesn’t always prove easy , if you don’t get it right they will eat you for breakfast at that level, which is another reason so many slide right through.
And I think Roy would like him, it’s a guess but because of the way it happened. Maybe we were in for another forward else where,,which broke down late. We needed more options up front, only Bats, seemed to fit so it was make your mind up. As we couldn’t have two from Chelsea.
If so that’s football, because Bats, has been a disappointment.

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 25 Feb 21 6.16pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

I have to acknowledge defeat Willo.
It is impossible to penetrate your defence of Hodgson.
If only our defence was as resilient. Miserable and by your own admission awful performances are fully explained by the meagre resources supplied by the owners, the ageing defence,the pedestrian midfield, the injuries,the lack of pace in the team,the lack of reliable goalscorers.
The only person to escape criticism is Hodgson.
Quite remarkable!

Originally posted by Willo

Nobody is above criticism least of all a cerebrally challenged chap like 'Yours Truly' !

With respect I have not suspended judgement on Mr Hodgson due to the fact that he has met his objectives.
I believe I have consistently asserted that he has kept us in the PL season-on-season on a relative meagre spend, accordingly I recognise the admirable job he has done in the circumstances even though the football has been far from entertaining.

Supporters of teams lower down the pyramid who perhaps play more expansive games would really love to be in our position!

 

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View PatrickA's Profile PatrickA Flag London 25 Feb 21 6.33pm Send a Private Message to PatrickA Add PatrickA as a friend

Although I'm preferred to concede defeat in your defence of Hodgson's Palace record, do you feel he was in even in the slightest, tiniest way culpable for England's embarrassing defeat to Iceland?I'm sure you will consider this objectively.

Originally posted by PatrickA

I have to acknowledge defeat Willo.
It is impossible to penetrate your defence of Hodgson.
If only our defence was as resilient. Miserable and by your own admission awful performances are fully explained by the meagre resources supplied by the owners, the ageing defence,the pedestrian midfield, the injuries,the lack of pace in the team,the lack of reliable goalscorers.
The only person to escape criticism is Hodgson.
Quite remarkable!

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 25 Feb 21 6.44pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by PatrickA

Although I'm preferred to concede defeat in your defence of Hodgson's Palace record, do you feel he was in even in the slightest, tiniest way culpable for England's embarrassing defeat to Iceland?I'm sure you will consider this objectively.

I know someone who knows Ray Lewington and they discussed the defeat some while ago.
Ray said that the team was well prepared as ever and everyone was fully aware of their jobs but that they just 'Froze' on the night.Happens in football from time to time.

 

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