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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Feb 21 11.25am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

On reflection, if Covid hits the club's finances then the club will have needed financial support. Whoever provides that financial support will, unless doing charity work, expect their money back. So us owing the yanks X can sound far more ominous than it is.

I am making this call: this summer will be a period of amazing market opportunities.

Our soon-to-be depleted squad will give us huge opportunities to acquire good players in an incredible buyers market. Opportunities that other clubs, with bloated squads of players then cannot offload, cannot take.

It might not get depleted as much as many think it will be!
I suspect some of our 'Dad's Army' will be donning the shirt next season.

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jeeagles Flag 24 Feb 21 11.34am

Originally posted by Ginger Pubic Wig

On reflection, if Covid hits the club's finances then the club will have needed financial support. Whoever provides that financial support will, unless doing charity work, expect their money back. So us owing the yanks X can sound far more ominous than it is.

I am making this call: this summer will be a period of amazing market opportunities.

Our soon-to-be depleted squad will give us huge opportunities to acquire good players in an incredible buyers market. Opportunities that other clubs, with bloated squads of players then cannot offload, cannot take.

Covid is likely to have a smaller impact on premiership clubs that are less reliant on match day income. We should be less badly hit than the likes of West Ham or Arsenal.

We are also likely to be less badly hit than Championship clubs.

Whilst it's not good for anyone, we should be in a fairly decent position.

There should be a lot of players up for sale for more reasonable fees as clubs scramble to cover their losses. With a lot of contracts coming to an end, we should have the budget to cover wages but will struggle to raise capital to cover transfer fees.

What we do need to do now, is decide who we are letting go, and who the transfer targets should be. Assuming the currenty manager won't be here next season, we need to make sure the successor is appointed early to give them a chance to make that decision.

 

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View Pete53's Profile Pete53 Flag Hassocks 24 Feb 21 11.39am Send a Private Message to Pete53 Add Pete53 as a friend

Whilst I largely agree that a replacement should be found for Roy for next season, it is interesting to note how some of those managers/coaches that we enviously looked at don't seem quite so bright and shiny at the moment.

Hasenhuttls Southampton are in dire form and Santo's Wolves aren't the power they were last year. Last season we looked at a rampant Sheff Utd. and many of us envied them having an adventurous manager like Chris Wilder. Meanwhile Dyche's Burnley are still below us the table. I'm sure you can think of others whom in the last couple of years were touted as potential Roy replacements but who don't appear to be such great prospects any more.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 24 Feb 21 11.42am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Whilst I largely agree that a replacement should be found for Roy for next season, it is interesting to note how some of those managers/coaches that we enviously looked at don't seem quite so bright and shiny at the moment.

Hasenhuttls Southampton are in dire form and Santo's Wolves aren't the power they were last year. Last season we looked at a rampant Sheff Utd. and many of us envied them having an adventurous manager like Chris Wilder. Meanwhile Dyche's Burnley are still below us the table. I'm sure you can think of others whom in the last couple of years were touted as potential Roy replacements but who don't appear to be such great prospects any more.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Mr Hodgson is going nowhere.

 

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View Nicholas91's Profile Nicholas91 Flag The Democratic Republic of Kent 24 Feb 21 11.54am Send a Private Message to Nicholas91 Add Nicholas91 as a friend

Originally posted by Pete53

Whilst I largely agree that a replacement should be found for Roy for next season, it is interesting to note how some of those managers/coaches that we enviously looked at don't seem quite so bright and shiny at the moment.

Hasenhuttls Southampton are in dire form and Santo's Wolves aren't the power they were last year. Last season we looked at a rampant Sheff Utd. and many of us envied them having an adventurous manager like Chris Wilder. Meanwhile Dyche's Burnley are still below us the table. I'm sure you can think of others whom in the last couple of years were touted as potential Roy replacements but who don't appear to be such great prospects any more.

The grass isn't always greener on the other side.

Good points.

I'd suggest the success of managerial appointment is not always made on paper however.

A lot needs to be considered and nothing is ever guaranteed in football, all the managers you have mentioned have had good spells but as you've pointed out not so much of late. Alternately you could suggest WHU should of kept hold of Moyes first time or maybe Manure should never of let him go? Look at Klopp this season - he seemed untouchable last few years.

Whatever we do manager-wise next season a decision must be made in correlation with whatever plans there are for the squad which is probably the more urgent need to address.

Many want to make criticism of managers a personal thing on both the 'for' and 'against' side but that is a distraction. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't and as you've rightly highlighted, sometimes things work out for a period but can soon go downhill fast.

My stance on Roy, I would like to think, has always been relevant to what I see in our performances. I was comfortable with him as manager for a long period but of late, including this season, I have questioned whether he's been the right man to have at the helm - which I thought he was not, just my opinion (despite us actually churning out the points). Ironically, the pendulum can swing both ways and he may well again prove he is the right man. This final run in to the end of the season will certainly be interesting and should tell us more albeit that's limited with questions over the squad.

 


Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Feb 21 12.15pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend


Not that I want to prolong this thread for the sake of it, but the tone of content seems less hysterical at the moment.

So, is it me or does this look like Yohan is making a pitch?

[Link]

 


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View Frickin Saweet's Profile Frickin Saweet Flag South Cronx 24 Feb 21 12.32pm Send a Private Message to Frickin Saweet Add Frickin Saweet as a friend

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer


Not that I want to prolong this thread for the sake of it, but the tone of content seems less hysterical at the moment.

So, is it me or does this look like Yohan is making a pitch?

[Link]

“I hope for the next two years to try and learn, to get my degree, and then hopefully work in a football club.”

expect Roy to receive two further 1-year contract extensions

 

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View Palace Old Geezer's Profile Palace Old Geezer Flag Midhurst 24 Feb 21 12.37pm Send a Private Message to Palace Old Geezer Add Palace Old Geezer as a friend

Originally posted by Frickin Saweet

“I hope for the next two years to try and learn, to get my degree, and then hopefully work in a football club.”

expect Roy to receive two further 1-year contract extensions

Ha, ha!

 

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View doombear's Profile doombear Flag Too far from Selhurst Park 24 Feb 21 1.51pm Send a Private Message to doombear Add doombear as a friend

Originally posted by Nicholas91

Good points.

I'd suggest the success of managerial appointment is not always made on paper however.

A lot needs to be considered and nothing is ever guaranteed in football, all the managers you have mentioned have had good spells but as you've pointed out not so much of late. Alternately you could suggest WHU should of kept hold of Moyes first time or maybe Manure should never of let him go? Look at Klopp this season - he seemed untouchable last few years.

Whatever we do manager-wise next season a decision must be made in correlation with whatever plans there are for the squad which is probably the more urgent need to address.

Many want to make criticism of managers a personal thing on both the 'for' and 'against' side but that is a distraction. Sometimes things work out, sometimes they don't and as you've rightly highlighted, sometimes things work out for a period but can soon go downhill fast.

My stance on Roy, I would like to think, has always been relevant to what I see in our performances. I was comfortable with him as manager for a long period but of late, including this season, I have questioned whether he's been the right man to have at the helm - which I thought he was not, just my opinion (despite us actually churning out the points). Ironically, the pendulum can swing both ways and he may well again prove he is the right man. This final run in to the end of the season will certainly be interesting and should tell us more albeit that's limited with questions over the squad.

Like your post Nicholas; just want to focus on the highlighted part.

Assuming Hodgson will see out the season, the remainder of it would seem to fall into two parts:

Firstly, the next four games before the 3 week break. For these, Hodgson's options seem pretty limited given our injury situation and we can expect a cautious defensive set up not dissimilar to what we saw against Brighton. 4 or 6 points from the Fulham and Baggies games would see us in a comfortable position for the final 9 game run-in that starts at the beginning of April. Any points gained against Man U and Spurs would be a bonus.

Assuming we get at least 4 points from our next 4 games, then come April and the second part, it will be interesting to see how Hodgson sets us up for those last 9 games. He is clearly aware of the flak he's been getting in recent weeks and may be a little bit tetchy about it. Will he try anything new? If he sees this as his last season he might just adopt a different approach just to show he can. He took the shackles off for that end of season Bournemouth game, so he can do it when he wants.

 

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View redshift's Profile redshift Flag Toronto 24 Feb 21 4.47pm Send a Private Message to redshift Add redshift as a friend

Found this in my inbox this morning. Just something to ponder.

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Maybe needs some context: from Football365 about something Roy reportedly said.

Edited by redshift (24 Feb 2021 4.49pm)

 


Success will lie to you but failure always tells you the truth.

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 24 Feb 21 5.03pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

I’m pleased to see the beginnings of a groundswell of opinion amongst journalists and an increase in reporting of the need for Palace to rejuvenate its ageing squad. Hopefully, this has been partially initiated by the club themselves to show fans they are aware of the issues.

My bug bear the last 2 or 3 seasons has been the lack of signings or at least a drip feed of signings and when we have signed someone it’s been a senior player such as Tomkins, Kouyate and Cahill.

It would appear the message has got through and It is excellent news that they are seriously looking at the young centre half. This season has seen the start of a change in plan. We have Eze and Butland, hopefully Mateta will grow into a decent player and Ferguson will get fit and fulfill his promise, however I still think we are maybe 4 players short of where we want to be plus whatever happens with Wilf. The big question is have we got enough money to fill these gaps or have we left it a bit late and will have to continue to rely on the old hands.

We desperately need two youngish quality midfielders with legs and the ability to pass. I’d take Gallagher and Tufan.

 

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View est1905's Profile est1905 Flag 24 Feb 21 5.57pm Send a Private Message to est1905 Add est1905 as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Why do posters keep lying on this board. Point me to a post that demands sexy football.

We get that you don’t agree, but it appears not agreeing is insufficient for some and it has to be accompanied by claims of fans with a contrary view being deluded.

Answer me one simple question. Do you think Roy’s teams played better during his first two seasons or the last two seasons. If you look back at this you will be some way to understanding why a large number of fans are no longer happy with our manager.

I'll answer your question first with one simple answer Same.
As for demanding sexy football? In not so many words thats exactly what you are demanding but you know you look a prat if you actually say the words. Repeatedly banging on and on and on about the standard/quality of football despite our league position and Roy having built a team that has now beaten every team in this division at one time or another, meaning we literally fear no one but that just isn't enough for some. You want entertainment, to be higher up the league, to be working to a clear game plan (whatever that means-too many on here think they are managers themselves)
Be grateful for what you have. A top division club, a top category academy, no relegation battle to fight, a possible new stand in the coming few years.
Not enough though for some is it? Like children. Give them something good and within 5 minutes they want more. Its actually quite funny when I think about how desperate some Palace fans were when the club slipped into administration (twice)

 

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