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Putitout Oxford 07 Mar 21 10.50am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You cannot line up a manager for the future. That isn’t how it works. All you can do is watch the performance of managers and do your homework on them, a bit like scouting players. That is why I think when we’ve found a better manager we can hire then we should, and not wait for when Roy decides he’s finished or he suddenly becomes unwell and we’re scrambling around, which if he’s unwell, could be be mid season and very disruptive. I also agree that Roy doesn’t improve or progress players. He might do for his own way of not playing football, but he doesn’t, apart from AWB, who was naturally the best tackler and stopper at RB in England, but didn’t develop going forward. Which of our players have developed or have been courted by other clubs? None? I won’t be surprised if Eze wants to get the bell out of here asap. Luckily Roy is the age he is, or Roy could be here longer to slowly erode the intangible things people don’t notice until it’s too late. LoftusCheek, came to Palace, a talented fringe player at Chelsea. He left us a full blown international after one season under Roy’s wing. And no fluke. Man of the match against a very competitive German Side, in his first outing, Only injury has stopped his progression. Ruben, said days ago he can’t thank Roy enough, for what he did for his game. Even where AWB , is concerned it’s not valid to say Roy didn’t develop his raw talent. Just because it doesn’t fit , the narrative of Roy, being the clubs biggest problem. Every player has his limits, every squad has its limits , and no manager in the world can take players or squads beyond those limits, once they are reached. I suspect Klopp, might be experiencing this now. Not even the very best, with what had been the very best of ,players, and squads. Arsene, at Arsenal, could only take it so far, once the talent tap was stopped. Even Ferguson, couldn’t get any more out of his lot . It’s all relative mind , Hodgson , has had nothing like those, he has had more or less the same bunch of triers for four years. He hasn’t held the odd one with real talent back at all ,the opposite in fact.
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Putitout

Oxford 07 Mar 21 10.50am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

You cannot line up a manager for the future. That isn’t how it works. All you can do is watch the performance of managers and do your homework on them, a bit like scouting players. That is why I think when we’ve found a better manager we can hire then we should, and not wait for when Roy decides he’s finished or he suddenly becomes unwell and we’re scrambling around, which if he’s unwell, could be be mid season and very disruptive.

I also agree that Roy doesn’t improve or progress players. He might do for his own way of not playing football, but he doesn’t, apart from AWB, who was naturally the best tackler and stopper at RB in England, but didn’t develop going forward. Which of our players have developed or have been courted by other clubs? None? I won’t be surprised if Eze wants to get the bell out of here asap. Luckily Roy is the age he is, or Roy could be here longer to slowly erode the intangible things people don’t notice until it’s too late.

LoftusCheek, came to Palace, a talented fringe player at Chelsea.
He left us a full blown international after one season under Roy’s wing. And no fluke. Man of the match against a very competitive German Side, in his first outing, Only injury has stopped his progression. Ruben, said days ago he can’t thank Roy enough, for what he did for his game.
Even where AWB , is concerned it’s not valid to say Roy didn’t develop his raw talent. Just because it doesn’t fit , the narrative of Roy, being the clubs biggest problem.
Every player has his limits, every squad has its limits , and no manager in the world can take players or squads beyond those limits, once they are reached. I suspect Klopp, might be experiencing this now.
Not even the very best, with what had been the very best of ,players, and squads. Arsene, at Arsenal, could only take it so far, once the talent tap was stopped. Even Ferguson, couldn’t get any more out of his lot . It’s all relative mind , Hodgson , has had nothing like those, he has had more or less the same bunch of triers for four years. He hasn’t held the odd one with real talent back at all ,the opposite in fact.

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PZ Eagle Penzance 07 Mar 21 11.43am
Originally posted by Putitout LoftusCheek, came to Palace, a talented fringe player at Chelsea. He left us a full blown international after one season under Roy’s wing. And no fluke. Man of the match against a very competitive German Side, in his first outing, Only injury has stopped his progression. Ruben, said days ago he can’t thank Roy enough, for what he did for his game. Even where AWB , is concerned it’s not valid to say Roy didn’t develop his raw talent. Just because it doesn’t fit , the narrative of Roy, being the clubs biggest problem. Every player has his limits, every squad has its limits , and no manager in the world can take players or squads beyond those limits, once they are reached. I suspect Klopp, might be experiencing this now. Not even the very best, with what had been the very best of ,players, and squads. Arsene, at Arsenal, could only take it so far, once the talent tap was stopped. Even Ferguson, couldn’t get any more out of his lot . It’s all relative mind , Hodgson , has had nothing like those, he has had more or less the same bunch of triers for four years. He hasn’t held the odd one with real talent back at all ,the opposite in fact. Good post but it won't make any difference to the Roy Out mob I'm afraid! Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.
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Penzance 07 Mar 21 11.43am

Originally posted by Putitout

Good post but it won't make any difference to the Roy Out mob I'm afraid!

Conjunctivitis.com - A site for sore eyes.

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doombear Online Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Mar 21 12.04pm
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman After 3 seasons of not showing up against Brighton and helping them survive with 6 easy points? Yep. We didn't show against Brighton last season or this season but still stole 4 points in each! Let's face it, these days it seems it's more effective NOT to show against them.
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Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Mar 21 12.04pm

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

After 3 seasons of not showing up against Brighton and helping them survive with 6 easy points? Yep.

We didn't show against Brighton last season or this season but still stole 4 points in each! Let's face it, these days it seems it's more effective NOT to show against them.

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doombear Online Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Mar 21 12.14pm
Originally posted by NEILLO 3 goals in 22 appearances this season in a stronger league. True BUT is he now finding his feet in the Bundesliga? In Leipzig's last two league matches against Freiburg and B. Moenchengladbach, Sorloth scored in both AND assisted in both. He got his first start in a while in the latter game and played the full 90. Will be interesting to see how he fares from hereon in. Having said that I think we did well to offload him and get most of our money back
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Too far from Selhurst Park 07 Mar 21 12.14pm

Originally posted by NEILLO

3 goals in 22 appearances this season in a stronger league.

True BUT is he now finding his feet in the Bundesliga? In Leipzig's last two league matches against Freiburg and B. Moenchengladbach, Sorloth scored in both AND assisted in both. He got his first start in a while in the latter game and played the full 90. Will be interesting to see how he fares from hereon in. Having said that I think we did well to offload him and get most of our money back

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HKOwen Online Hong Kong 07 Mar 21 8.48pm
By " line up " I mean identify targets, talk to them and if a deal is there to be done then decide on the incumbent. Recent example is Darren Moore Originally posted by Rudi Hedman You cannot line up a manager for the future. That isn’t how it works. All you can do is watch the performance of managers and do your homework on them, a bit like scouting players. That is why I think when we’ve found a better manager we can hire then we should, and not wait for when Roy decides he’s finished or he suddenly becomes unwell and we’re scrambling around, which if he’s unwell, could be be mid season and very disruptive. I also agree that Roy doesn’t improve or progress players. He might do for his own way of not playing football, but he doesn’t, apart from AWB, who was naturally the best tackler and stopper at RB in England, but didn’t develop going forward. Which of our players have developed or have been courted by other clubs? None? I won’t be surprised if Eze wants to get the bell out of here asap. Luckily Roy is the age he is, or Roy could be here longer to slowly erode the intangible things people don’t notice until it’s too late. Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.
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HKOwen Online

Hong Kong 07 Mar 21 8.48pm

By " line up " I mean identify targets, talk to them and if a deal is there to be done then decide on the incumbent.

Recent example is Darren Moore

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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jeeagles 07 Mar 21 9.31pm
Originally posted by doombear True BUT is he now finding his feet in the Bundesliga? In Leipzig's last two league matches against Freiburg and B. Moenchengladbach, Sorloth scored in both AND assisted in both. He got his first start in a while in the latter game and played the full 90. Will be interesting to see how he fares from hereon in. Having said that I think we did well to offload him and get most of our money back It's 9 starts and 3 goals. 2 goals and 3 assists in the last two. RB Leipzig are second in the league. There's not much you can read into is. Some people, including me, think with a run in a team at a higher level he could get going. That could take more time than we could afford to give him though. Physically, he seemed to have all the attributes of a great athlete, technically and tactically he needed to improve. I think we was worth a punt at £10m and it was a shame it didn't work out. What I would say is another cross into Benteke resulted in a goal. Roy or no Roy, only Giroud had more goals from headers. Surely some analysts somewhere had to tell the management what to do if we want him to score goals.
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07 Mar 21 9.31pm

Originally posted by doombear

It's 9 starts and 3 goals. 2 goals and 3 assists in the last two. RB Leipzig are second in the league.

There's not much you can read into is. Some people, including me, think with a run in a team at a higher level he could get going. That could take more time than we could afford to give him though. Physically, he seemed to have all the attributes of a great athlete, technically and tactically he needed to improve. I think we was worth a punt at £10m and it was a shame it didn't work out.

What I would say is another cross into Benteke resulted in a goal. Roy or no Roy, only Giroud had more goals from headers. Surely some analysts somewhere had to tell the management what to do if we want him to score goals.

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daven Hailsham 07 Mar 21 9.33pm
Anyone notice how Chris Coleman was nice about Palace and constructive. Auditioning ? Or just keeping his options open.
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Hailsham 07 Mar 21 9.33pm

Anyone notice how Chris Coleman was nice about Palace and constructive. Auditioning ? Or just keeping his options open.

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eritheagle Erith 07 Mar 21 9.41pm
Originally posted by daven Anyone notice how Chris Coleman was nice about Palace and constructive. Auditioning ? Or just keeping his options open. I bl0ody hope not!
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Erith 07 Mar 21 9.41pm

Originally posted by daven

Anyone notice how Chris Coleman was nice about Palace and constructive. Auditioning ? Or just keeping his options open.

I bl0ody hope not!

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CPFC Dartford Dartford 07 Mar 21 9.42pm
We have defenders who are ageing and can be caught on there heels from time to time. Midfielders who aren’t quick enough and don’t create enough for the attackers. I don’t think Hodgson can do much about this, the blame is starting to lay at the hands of the owners, we need more investment. Roy can’t turn average players into world beaters that can compete at the top, top level. Even if Pep came to us nothing would change that dramatically without some funds.
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Dartford 07 Mar 21 9.42pm

We have defenders who are ageing and can be caught on there heels from time to time. Midfielders who aren’t quick enough and don’t create enough for the attackers. I don’t think Hodgson can do much about this, the blame is starting to lay at the hands of the owners, we need more investment. Roy can’t turn average players into world beaters that can compete at the top, top level. Even if Pep came to us nothing would change that dramatically without some funds.

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georgenorman 08 Mar 21 1.21pm
Nigel Farage is available.
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08 Mar 21 1.21pm

Nigel Farage is available.

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Rainforest London England 08 Mar 21 2.00pm
DISLODGE HODGE Crystal Palace need to move on from Roy Hodgson or face being stuck in a rut, says Eagles legend Andy Gray [Link]
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London England 08 Mar 21 2.00pm

DISLODGE HODGE Crystal Palace need to move on from Roy Hodgson or face being stuck in a rut, says Eagles legend Andy Gray

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Mar 21 2.22pm
Originally posted by georgenorman Nigel Farage is available. We’re tryna get into Europe not out of it! Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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Nicholas91

The Democratic Republic of Kent 08 Mar 21 2.22pm

Originally posted by georgenorman

Nigel Farage is available.

We’re tryna get into Europe not out of it!

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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