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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 08 Jan 21 11.01am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

A point of interest

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised.

So those that say simply 'look after' the vulnerable and let others get on with their lives are missing the point. The vulnerable may never be in a position to live a normal life all the time the virus is massively circulating.

The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population.

 

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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 11.18am Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

I have seen the argument advanced that in terms of the vaccine roll-out it would be more beneficial to target the younger more economically active and social population,especially the key workers who have most contact with the public,including teachers.
It is felt that this change of strategy would reduce rates if infection in the wider community with some rapidity.

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am)

 

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View Eaglecoops's Profile Eaglecoops Flag CR3 08 Jan 21 12.49pm Send a Private Message to Eaglecoops Add Eaglecoops as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

A point of interest

The Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation is unsure whether the vaccine works well for those who are immunosuppressed and are not advising they be immunised.

So those that say simply 'look after' the vulnerable and let others get on with their lives are missing the point. The vulnerable may never be in a position to live a normal life all the time the virus is massively circulating.

The point is therefore we need to stop the virus to the extent possible. Those that can take the vaccine should so that we minimise the amount of virus in the overall world population.

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we donít know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, itís about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. Itís a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Jan 21 1.18pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

I have seen the argument advanced that in terms of the vaccine roll-out it would be more beneficial to target the younger more economically active and social population,especially the key workers who have most contact with the public,including teachers.
It is felt that this change of strategy would reduce rates if infection in the wider community with some rapidity.

Edited by Willo (08 Jan 2021 11.20am)

Iíve read that Indonesia are taking this approach. Since there are about 270m people there, many in rural areas, theyíve got a big job on their hands.
On the face of it this policy of getting the economy back up and running whilst vulnerable people isolate for longer seems to make sense.

 

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View Rudi Hedman's Profile Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 08 Jan 21 1.22pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we donít know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, itís about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. Itís a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.

Which is exactly what Iíd do. I was amazed at how many people suddenly came out when masks were made compulsory. Just didnít make sense to me. Someone I speak to has said theyíre immunosuppressed. While smoking outdoors and obviously blowing their smoke and exhalation further in my direction they come gradually closer to me as I gradually start stepping away. All this has gone on too long to be bothered by it or youíll lose the plot. I just adapt to what others are doing.

 


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View Willo's Profile Willo Flag South coast - west of Brighton. 08 Jan 21 2.12pm Send a Private Message to Willo Add Willo as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Iíve read that Indonesia are taking this approach. Since there are about 270m people there, many in rural areas, theyíve got a big job on their hands.
On the face of it this policy of getting the economy back up and running whilst vulnerable people isolate for longer seems to make sense.

There has been the argument advanced that the main aim is to halt the transmission of the disease but that vaccinating the elderly and those with chronic conditions will only have a limited impact.
Most of these people are likely to be 'Shielding' already and these people are not those largely responsible for the spread of the virus.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.11pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Willo

There has been the argument advanced that the main aim is to halt the transmission of the disease but that vaccinating the elderly and those with chronic conditions will only have a limited impact.
Most of these people are likely to be 'Shielding' already and these people are not those largely responsible for the spread of the virus.

But if they catch it there is a reasonable chance they will die or at least go into ITU. Given the current situation in ITUs I think it's sensible to vaccinate those most likely to need them first, don't you?

In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 08 Jan 21 3.12pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

Can you explain the science of how we are supposed to stop the virus given that we donít know whether protecting yourself with the vaccine prevents it being carried or transmitted?

We do not know if it might become like say the cold sore virus, something that never goes away and just lurks in the background.

Protecting the vulnerable is not all about other people taking the vaccine, itís about staying away unless you need to spend time with them. Itís a cruel harsh fact but until they can show that not getting ill with it stops transmission those who are immune compromised are stuck with social distancing as the only line of defence.

Yes, I can explain the science.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 08 Jan 21 3.16pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Eaglecoops

That is way too wonderfully detailed for someone who has never been there. I am pretty sure there was life before Mrs Willo.

But then the Great War broke out

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Jan 21 3.21pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

But if they catch it there is a reasonable chance they will die or at least go into ITU. Given the current situation in ITUs I think it's sensible to vaccinate those most likely to need them first, don't you?

In the end even those that shield will find the virus ultimately breaches their defences. A frozen meal here, a District Nurse there.

I think the situation in some countries is different in that they donít have the same care home set up and responsibility falls more on the families concerned.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 08 Jan 21 3.39pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant -

It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and

"Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa."

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Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 08 Jan 21 3.45pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

Will leave this is here too, since it's relevant -

It's thought that the Moderna vaccine may be effective for two years and

"Bancel added his company was about to prove that its vaccine would also be effective against variants of the coronavirus seen in Britain and South Africa."

[Link]

Great news if true. More data needed, but potentially positive at least

Yes, potentially very good news.

[Link]

 

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