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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Apr 21 10.13am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you deliberating missing the point or do you really not understand it?

Pfizer is an American owned business. AstraZeneca is British. The EU is not involved.

Countries don't own or export vaccines! Companies do and where their manufacturing is done in today's world is an irrelevance in this debate.

Your own figures, which for the sake of argument lets assume are correct, show that per capita the UK was about 6 times greater than the EU in its support.

We also placed our contracts earlier than the EU. All these things have consequences. It's an established principle that when contracts are placed they get honoured in order. Those who order last get served last.

We were prepared to take a greater risk and that has paid off. The EU doesn't have a leg to stand on in this matter and threatening export bans will do its future reputation as an honest partner no good at all.

Please stop it Wissie, I am finding myself agreeing with you!

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 05 Apr 21 10.36am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Please stop it Wissie, I am finding myself agreeing with you!

Me too. Itís like the Twilight Zone.

 

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View palace_in_frogland's Profile palace_in_frogland Flag In a broken dream 05 Apr 21 10.48am Send a Private Message to palace_in_frogland Add palace_in_frogland as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

Me too. Itís like the Twilight Zone.

And again. Itís a horrible feeling!

 

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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 05 Apr 21 2.01pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Are you saying for 4 years we did not try to negotiate with the EU? As a matter of interest where do you live? Have you had your vaccinations?

During the 4 years there was a change of PM and many members of the cabinet, the illegal amendment to the NI protocol and huge delays in between 'talks'.

I spend my time between Thailand, Cyprus and Portugal, I was lucky enough to 'retire' early in my mid 40s. Retirement for me was being able to do a lot more of what I wanted to do.

 

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View Forest Hillbilly's Profile Forest Hillbilly Flag in a hidey-hole 05 Apr 21 2.03pm Send a Private Message to Forest Hillbilly Add Forest Hillbilly as a friend

The things about vaccine and human behaviour that concern me:

1. testing of anti-bodies in the human system are only 6 months old, so give no indication of how long the vaccine might be effective for.

2. Current data gives no indication of whether vaccinated people can still transmit disease.

3. Although the vaccination programme is going very well, already you can see people's behaviour changing, with regard to not socially distancing, socialising and arranging holidays.

Great, lets go on holiday and bring back another variant which is resistant to the vaccine and lets just fck up everything all over again.

 


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View Orange1290's Profile Orange1290 Flag 05 Apr 21 2.18pm Send a Private Message to Orange1290 Add Orange1290 as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Are you deliberating missing the point or do you really not understand it?

Pfizer is an American owned business. AstraZeneca is British. The EU is not involved.

Countries don't own or export vaccines! Companies do and where their manufacturing is done in today's world is an irrelevance in this debate.

Your own figures, which for the sake of argument lets assume are correct, show that per capita the UK was about 6 times greater than the EU in its support.

We also placed our contracts earlier than the EU. All these things have consequences. It's an established principle that when contracts are placed they get honoured in order. Those who order last get served last.

We were prepared to take a greater risk and that has paid off. The EU doesn't have a leg to stand on in this matter and threatening export bans will do its future reputation as an honest partner no good at all.


The Pfizer/Biontech vaccine was wholly developed by German registered and owned Biontech. Pfizer were brought in for their testing capacity, so yes, it's an EU developed vaccine marketed as a joint venture for production, as large amounts are also produced in Biontech's German production facilities.

Here's a good link on the Biontech development of the vaccine and its history together with the involvement of Pfizer for large scale testing:

[Link]

Regarding contracts, one contract has nothing to do with another. They are separate legal documents that are legally binding to deliver a certain amount of product on a certain date.

Still, it's clear that the EU has helped by exporting both UK developed and German developed vaccines to the UK to the tune of around 21 million doses, that's fact. What's also fact is that the UK hasn't exported any vaccine doses and used it's entire holdings on its own population.


Edited by Orange1290 (05 Apr 2021 2.19pm)

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Online Flag The garden of England.(not really) 05 Apr 21 2.58pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


The Pfizer/Biontech vaccine was wholly developed by German registered and owned Biontech. Pfizer were brought in for their testing capacity, so yes, it's an EU developed vaccine marketed as a joint venture for production, as large amounts are also produced in Biontech's German production facilities.

Here's a good link on the Biontech development of the vaccine and its history together with the involvement of Pfizer for large scale testing:

[Link]

Regarding contracts, one contract has nothing to do with another. They are separate legal documents that are legally binding to deliver a certain amount of product on a certain date.

Still, it's clear that the EU has helped by exporting both UK developed and German developed vaccines to the UK to the tune of around 21 million doses, that's fact. What's also fact is that the UK hasn't exported any vaccine doses and used it's entire holdings on its own population.


Edited by Orange1290 (05 Apr 2021 2.19pm)

Whats also fact is that you are an EU loving remainer ...the EU didnt export any vaccines, the relevant drug companies did, the fact that they operate from within the EU is irrelevant, they are autonomous companies not owned by the EU

Edited by the silurian (05 Apr 2021 2.59pm)

 

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View Helmet46's Profile Helmet46 Flag Caterham 05 Apr 21 3.13pm Send a Private Message to Helmet46 Add Helmet46 as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Whats also fact is that you are an EU loving remainer ...the EU didnt export any vaccines, the relevant drug companies did, the fact that they operate from within the EU is irrelevant, they are autonomous companies not owned by the EU

Edited by the silurian (05 Apr 2021 2.59pm)

This. He clearly doesnít get it and ignores the bits he cannot answer.

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 05 Apr 21 3.28pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290

During the 4 years there was a change of PM and many members of the cabinet, the illegal amendment to the NI protocol and huge delays in between 'talks'.

I spend my time between Thailand, Cyprus and Portugal, I was lucky enough to 'retire' early in my mid 40s. Retirement for me was being able to do a lot more of what I wanted to do.

So they were talking during the 4 years? Make your mind up. Didnít the EU impose a hard border with NI, when it suited? Letís just forget that as it doesnít suit your pro-EU narrative So living between Cyprus and Portugal you obviously hate the thought of Brexit. Open your eyes and see how the EU have handled Covid, they f***ed up big time, donít blame the UK

Edited by Spiderman (05 Apr 2021 3.30pm)

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 05 Apr 21 3.32pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Vaccines cannot hide the decimation of the UKs exports to the EU, it's primary trading partner.

And the EUs exports to the UK are unaffected due to the extension in place until at least January next year.

The UKs self interest over vaccines is a gamble which has worked so far, but that's all.

And UK businesses are clear we are not talking about 'teething' but the reality of leaving the EU.


 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 05 Apr 21 3.50pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Orange1290


The Pfizer/Biontech vaccine was wholly developed by German registered and owned Biontech. Pfizer were brought in for their testing capacity, so yes, it's an EU developed vaccine marketed as a joint venture for production, as large amounts are also produced in Biontech's German production facilities.

Here's a good link on the Biontech development of the vaccine and its history together with the involvement of Pfizer for large scale testing:

[Link]

Regarding contracts, one contract has nothing to do with another. They are separate legal documents that are legally binding to deliver a certain amount of product on a certain date.

Still, it's clear that the EU has helped by exporting both UK developed and German developed vaccines to the UK to the tune of around 21 million doses, that's fact. What's also fact is that the UK hasn't exported any vaccine doses and used it's entire holdings on its own population.


Edited by Orange1290 (05 Apr 2021 2.19pm)

I bet you are popular in a restaurant when you demand your meal is served before someone who has been waiting longer than you AND is paying more!

Production delays happen. When they do who suffers most? The guys that ordered early, or late?

Where vaccines are actually produced is completely irrelevant.

Your "facts" aren't actually factual at all. They are misrepresentations. Neither the EU nor the UK has "exported" anything. Companies with production facilities in various places have met their contracted obligations in the order they were placed. There are the facts.

Rather than throwing a hissy-fit and trying to blame the UK for its own failings the EU needs to admit its mistakes, apologise to the people and then try to negotiate with the UK because of the situation it has itself created.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 05 Apr 21 4.31pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Imperialists sell developing countries finished goods, thereby putting themselves into the driving seat on the commercial relationship.

The alternative approach is to encourage the other countries to develop their own indigenous capability to develop and market a good.

In the case of AstraZeneca it is working with suppliers in 15 countries. The UK has also made advance orders from suppliers in multiple other countries which will have given an early boost to their indigenous capabilities.

The early authorisation and adoption of each vaccine has been a significant driver for worldwide production. The UK should soon authorise four more vaccines.

The EU sponsored the production of the BioNTech vaccine. The US sponsored Moderna.

It should be noted that the AstraZeneca vaccine was specifically developed to be very cheap to support developing countries. That is the only reason Oxford went with them. AZ has committed to not making a profit from the pandemic. It seems the other countries may be trying to recover or to profit from their investments. That may explain the delay in authorisations of some vaccines.

In addition, those that paid most largely got earlier deliveries as they supported the R&D through their high price. The EU pays the lowest price per dose for the AZ vaccine - $2.15.

In contrast, Israel paid $23.50 per dose of the Pfizer vaccine. That now appears to have been money well spent.

It is surely moot to criticise the UK for not insisting that AZ breaks its UK agreement to benefit the EU countries. France has used 72% and Germany 68% of the AstraZeneca jabs they have received, according to the latest figures European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control (ECDC).

The Netherlands has used only 44% of its supply.

 

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