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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 15 May 21 1.09pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

He's not said that people should be forced to have it, just that if you can't be bothered then it's logical for health reasons that there are consequences. That has always been the case anyway. Several countries already require you to display a Yellow Fever certificate before entry for instance. You're not walking around in a bubble. Choices you make for your health can and will impact others.

This idea that 99% people do not need to be vaccinated is absurd, so I have no idea why it keeps getting stated. In fact it implies that vast numbers of those who actually died of covid 'didn't need to get vaccinated', when clearly they would have benefited from doing so had it been an option at the time.

If the vaccine works, and anyone at risk has been offered the opportunity of a vaccine, why would anyone be concerned about those who have not been vaccinated?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 15 May 21 1.12pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by grumpymort


You people are just so brain dead you think a shot will solve all the problems countries like India are a mess for many reasons it's not just because of a virus.

Why do people need to inject something into them they dont need that makes no sense and if it's all about health well how about people sort out their lifestyles/diets so they are not so unhealthy they cant fight of infections etc.

Right little charmer arenít you

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 15 May 21 2.19pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

I have been very wary of vaccinations as being a solution and not just an aid.

Vaccination triumphalism had me wondering if people had left their senses.

Blind optimism with out any foundation, every day is a risk in my opinion.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 May 21 2.27pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

I have been very wary of vaccinations as being a solution and not just an aid.

Vaccination triumphalism had me wondering if people had left their senses.

Blind optimism with out any foundation, every day is a risk in my opinion.

I think it is obvious that even in countries, who reacted quicker than Boris did and shut down, without the vaccine they are just delaying the inevitable. I was looking at Japan where most people wear masks they are having another lockdown mainly because their vaccine rollout is painfully slow.

So you are right it is not the be all and end all but without it this problem is not going away any time soon.

 


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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Online Flag 15 May 21 2.43pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend


Iíve got my second one due on Friday. No problem at all after the first but have two friends in their early 50s whoíve been hospitalised with clots after the first (both AZ).
Two isnít many I suppose, and could be coincidental, but is enough in a town of 5,000 where only over-50s have been vaccinated.

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 15 May 21 2.45pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

If the vaccine works, and anyone at risk has been offered the opportunity of a vaccine, why would anyone be concerned about those who have not been vaccinated?

- The health of the individual (where they are elderly or vulnerable and don't get vaccinated)
- the increased likelihood of spread due to those who are not vaccinated
- the impact on those they may infect are consequence (especially likely if they live with them)


People don't live in a bubble. They usually live with other people and as such are in part also responsible for their health and doing the right thing by them. Or wider society. As I've now been vaccinated, I feel more comfortable being around others (who may or may not have been) as I've done the best I can to reduce the chance of spreading a virus to them that could still potentially be a pretty significant negative health event for them. If people don't get vaccinated because they literally don't care if they might be spreading covid because "they'll probably be okay" that strikes me as rather self interested.

The vaccine has been shown to reduce transmission significantly and to drastically reduce hospitalisation and the like too - that can occur with people of any age (in many countries over half of those hospitalised were under 60). I'd rather not have people take up hospital beds because they're under some kind of back of a fag packet illusion that they're part of a made up '99% of people who don't need to get vaccinated'. I dare say that many thousands of those hospitalised would've felt that they didn't need to get vaccinated either.

I'd rather just do my bit for others and get on with it. It seems remarkably selfish not to for something that takes a few minutes of your time.


Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 2.47pm)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 15 May 21 2.57pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

To all those countries getting ready to welcome the Brits back. Coming to you soon, I bet you've missed this..

[Link]

 


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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 15 May 21 3.07pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

- The health of the individual (where they are elderly or vulnerable and don't get vaccinated)
- the increased likelihood of spread due to those who are not vaccinated
- the impact on those they may infect are consequence (especially likely if they live with them)


People don't live in a bubble. They usually live with other people and as such are in part also responsible for their health and doing the right thing by them. Or wider society. As I've now been vaccinated, I feel more comfortable being around others (who may or may not have been) as I've done the best I can to reduce the chance of spreading a virus to them that could still potentially be a pretty significant negative health event for them. If people don't get vaccinated because they literally don't care if they might be spreading covid because "they'll probably be okay" that strikes me as rather self interested.

The vaccine has been shown to reduce transmission significantly and to drastically reduce hospitalisation and the like too - that can occur with people of any age (in many countries over half of those hospitalised were under 60). I'd rather not have people take up hospital beds because they're under some kind of back of a fag packet illusion that they're part of a made up '99% of people who don't need to get vaccinated'. I dare say that many thousands of those hospitalised would've felt that they didn't need to get vaccinated either.

I'd rather just do my bit for others and get on with it. It seems remarkably selfish not to for something that takes a few minutes of your time.


Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 2.47pm)

Sorry BJ but that does not make any sense - we are told that vaccinated people are still likely to be able to spread the virus and all of the old and vulnerable have been offered a vaccine now?

The rest of your note is just speculation...

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 15 May 21 3.25pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Eden Eagle

Sorry BJ but that does not make any sense - we are told that vaccinated people are still likely to be able to spread the virus and all of the old and vulnerable have been offered a vaccine now?

The rest of your note is just speculation...

The data available so far as we well know, suggests that people are significantly less likely to spread covid once vaccinated. You appear to be taking a very literal interpretation of that and saying on account that it's not impossible to be spread post vaccination that it's pointless getting vaccinated. I don't believe that to be true and have explained why.

If someone really doesn't want to get vaccinated they don't have to. I would suggest on account of prior hospitalisations, often people who would benefit from getting vaccinated would not acknowledge or recognise that they did, and that it's very clear that more than 1% of the population benefit from getting vaccinated. I believe my outlook results in much less chance of significant hospitalisations and lowers transmission (which is what we all want) . In uncharted territory, the best call has to be made in the moment, because there's no rewind button and I for one want to avoid further lockdowns.


Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 3.26pm)

 

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View eaglesdare's Profile eaglesdare Flag 15 May 21 3.26pm Send a Private Message to eaglesdare Add eaglesdare as a friend

I refuse to get the Vaccine! I feel I ha e no need to get it.

But I would never discourage anyone to not get it! Or too get it! I don't protest it either other than lockdown restrictions.

Does that make me an anti-vaxxer?

 

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View BlueJay's Profile BlueJay Flag UK 15 May 21 3.31pm Send a Private Message to BlueJay Add BlueJay as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

To all those countries getting ready to welcome the Brits back. Coming to you soon, I bet you've missed this..

[Link]

It used to be that you worried that your bag wouldn't reach its destination. Now you get to watch a series of chavs getting clattered around the head with it instead.

 

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View Eden Eagle's Profile Eden Eagle Flag Kent 15 May 21 3.36pm Send a Private Message to Eden Eagle Add Eden Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay

The data available so far as we well know, suggests that people are significantly less likely to spread covid once vaccinated. You appear to be taking a very literal interpretation of that and saying on account that it's not impossible to be spread post vaccination that it's pointless getting vaccinated. I don't believe that to be true and have explained why.

If someone really doesn't want to get vaccinated they don't have to. I would suggest on account of prior hospitalisations, often people who would benefit from getting vaccinated would not acknowledge or recognise that they did, and that it's very clear that more than 1% of the population benefit from getting vaccinated. I believe my outlook results in much less chance of significant hospitalisations and lowers transmission (which is what we all want) . In uncharted territory, the best call has to be made in the moment, because there's no rewind button and I for one want to avoid further lockdowns.


Edited by BlueJay (15 May 2021 3.26pm)

I have not said or suggested that it is pointless getting vaccinated - I just do not understand why vaccinated people get so upset about non vaccinated people and your points have not answered that question.

If your concern is about adding pressure to the NHS (potentially) do you take the same view with overweight people, heavy smokers and drinkers as these groups are likely to need more hospital support?

 

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