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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Jan 21 9.47pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Here we go then

Neo Nicatinoids, banned by the EU due to their disastrous effects on bee colonies amongst other insects, have just been granted ‘emergency authorisation’ in the UK.

Wow, it didn’t take long for economic interests to take advantage did it. Who cares about bees anyway. They are only crucial for one third of the world’s food.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 10 Jan 21 10.32pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Maple loves his honey even more than his syrup.

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 10 Jan 21 10.39pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Maple loves his honey even more than his syrup.

Don’t have a syrup. All my own, even at my advancing years.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 10 Jan 21 10.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Don’t have a syrup. All my own, even at my advancing years.

Have you been able to get a haircut in this weird empty hairdresser times?

 


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View davenotamonkey's Profile davenotamonkey Flag 11 Jan 21 1.18am Send a Private Message to davenotamonkey Add davenotamonkey as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Here we go then

Neo Nicatinoids, banned by the EU due to their disastrous effects on bee colonies amongst other insects, have just been granted ‘emergency authorisation’ in the UK.

Wow, it didn’t take long for economic interests to take advantage did it. Who cares about bees anyway. They are only crucial for one third of the world’s food.

Oh, superb - we're doing this then? Great!

Meet Tom. Tom doesn't like Brexit. Let's hear what Tom has to say about this, shall we?

Now, be sure to read the full chain in there. There are some very good links he's provided as well. I"m sure you wouldn't want to rely on just one source for your information, particularly if it were, say, the Guardian.

 

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View chris123's Profile chris123 Flag hove actually 11 Jan 21 6.06am Send a Private Message to chris123 Add chris123 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Here we go then

Neo Nicatinoids, banned by the EU due to their disastrous effects on bee colonies amongst other insects, have just been granted ‘emergency authorisation’ in the UK.

Wow, it didn’t take long for economic interests to take advantage did it. Who cares about bees anyway. They are only crucial for one third of the world’s food.

Did you read up on the background and context?

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 11 Jan 21 8.40am Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Here we go then

Neo Nicatinoids, banned by the EU due to their disastrous effects on bee colonies amongst other insects, have just been granted ‘emergency authorisation’ in the UK.

Wow, it didn’t take long for economic interests to take advantage did it. Who cares about bees anyway. They are only crucial for one third of the world’s food.

I have signed a petition to stop this despite being a Brexiteer. Still at least we are banning the export of live animals, which is a big plus

Edited by Spiderman (11 Jan 2021 8.41am)

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Jan 21 9.02am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Here we go then

Neo Nicatinoids, banned by the EU due to their disastrous effects on bee colonies amongst other insects, have just been granted ‘emergency authorisation’ in the UK.

Wow, it didn’t take long for economic interests to take advantage did it. Who cares about bees anyway. They are only crucial for one third of the world’s food.

Genuine question what is the alternative for Beet farmers? I have read a couple of articles about why this should be banned but they don't say what our farmers should do instead.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Jan 2021 9.03am)

 


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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Jan 21 9.40am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Genuine question what is the alternative for Beet farmers? I have read a couple of articles about why this should be banned but they don't say what our farmers should do instead.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Jan 2021 9.03am)

Of course. If you know anything about me you could have assumed I had looked at the science.

This is about yield. Yields are down due to virus yellows.

It is also about relative harm.

I have yet to be persuaded that the use of neonicatinoids is essential and is appropriate given the damage to the bee population - amongst others. To me profit is being put before sustainability.

Either:

1. The UK is ahead of the game as it can move quickly and be flexible based on the science, or

2. The UK is breaking ranks with the EU for profit, including making sure there isn't a level playing field, regardless of the long-term harm.

 

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Jan 21 9.42am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Genuine question what is the alternative for Beet farmers? I have read a couple of articles about why this should be banned but they don't say what our farmers should do instead.

Edited by Badger11 (11 Jan 2021 9.03am)

Abstract
The European Food Safety Authority concluded in February 2018 that "most uses of neonicotinoid insecticides represent a risk to wild bees and honeybees". In 2016, the French government passed a law banning the use of the five neonicotinoids previously authorized: clothianidin, imidacloprid, thiamethoxam, acetamiprid and thiacloprid. In the framework of an expert assessment conducted by the French Agency for Food, Environmental and Occupational Health and Safety to identify possible derogations, we performed a thorough assessment of the available alternatives to the five banned neonicotinoids. For each pest targeted by neonicotinoids use, we identified the main alternative pest management methods, which we then ranked for (i) efficacy for controlling the target pest, (ii) applicability (whether directly useable by farmers or in need of further research and development), (iii) durability (risk of resistance in targeted pests), and (iv) practicability (ease of implementation by farmers). We identified 152 authorized uses of neonicotinoids in France, encompassing 120 crops and 279 pest insect species (or genera). An effective alternative to neonicotinoids use was available in 96% of the 2968 case studies analyzed from the literature (single combinations of one alternative pest control method or product × one target crop plant × one target pest insect). The most common alternative to neonicotinoids (89% of cases) was the use of another chemical insecticide (mostly pyrethroids). However, in 78% of cases, at least one non-chemical alternative method could replace neonicotinoids (e.g. microorganisms, semiochemicals or surface coating). The relevance of non-chemical alternatives to neonicotinoids depends on pest feeding habits. Leaf and flower feeders are easier to control with non-chemical methods, whereas wood and root feeders are more difficult to manage by such methods. We also found that further field studies were required for many promising non-chemical methods before their introduction into routine use by farmers. Our findings, transmitted to policymakers, indicate that non-chemical alternatives to neonicotinoids do exist. Furthermore, they highlight the need to promote these methods through regulation and funding, with a view to reducing pesticide use in agriculture.

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View Mapletree's Profile Mapletree Flag Croydon 11 Jan 21 9.49am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by davenotamonkey

Oh, superb - we're doing this then? Great!

Meet Tom. Tom doesn't like Brexit. Let's hear what Tom has to say about this, shall we?

Now, be sure to read the full chain in there. There are some very good links he's provided as well. I"m sure you wouldn't want to rely on just one source for your information, particularly if it were, say, the Guardian.

It was not

My information came from farmers, given that my daughter is one.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 11 Jan 21 9.53am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Abstract
The European Food Safety Authority concluded in February 2018 that "most uses of neonicotinoid insecticides represent a risk to wild bees and honeybees". In 2016, the French government passed a law banning the use of the five neonicotinoids previously authorized: clothianidin, imidacloprid, thiamethoxam, acetamiprid and thiacloprid. In the framework of an expert assessment conducted by the French Agency for Food, Environmental and Occupational Health and Safety to identify possible derogations, we performed a thorough assessment of the available alternatives to the five banned neonicotinoids. For each pest targeted by neonicotinoids use, we identified the main alternative pest management methods, which we then ranked for (i) efficacy for controlling the target pest, (ii) applicability (whether directly useable by farmers or in need of further research and development), (iii) durability (risk of resistance in targeted pests), and (iv) practicability (ease of implementation by farmers). We identified 152 authorized uses of neonicotinoids in France, encompassing 120 crops and 279 pest insect species (or genera). An effective alternative to neonicotinoids use was available in 96% of the 2968 case studies analyzed from the literature (single combinations of one alternative pest control method or product × one target crop plant × one target pest insect). The most common alternative to neonicotinoids (89% of cases) was the use of another chemical insecticide (mostly pyrethroids). However, in 78% of cases, at least one non-chemical alternative method could replace neonicotinoids (e.g. microorganisms, semiochemicals or surface coating). The relevance of non-chemical alternatives to neonicotinoids depends on pest feeding habits. Leaf and flower feeders are easier to control with non-chemical methods, whereas wood and root feeders are more difficult to manage by such methods. We also found that further field studies were required for many promising non-chemical methods before their introduction into routine use by farmers. Our findings, transmitted to policymakers, indicate that non-chemical alternatives to neonicotinoids do exist. Furthermore, they highlight the need to promote these methods through regulation and funding, with a view to reducing pesticide use in agriculture.

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