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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 30 Oct 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

At least they haven't got the stupidity of Truss, and Brexit, making things even more complicated!

No. Italy is the model of political stability.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 30 Oct 22 6.29pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

No. Italy is the model of political stability.

Compared to the UK at present it probably is.


 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 30 Oct 22 7.22pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I am not so sure the evidence actually bears that out. Young, uneducated migrants determined to make a better life for themselves are prepared to suffer much more hardship and work harder than some of our own young people, who have grown up expecting to be given things.

Sure, they need housing, and their children need education, but so does everyone who contributes to our economy.

Donít forget bringing in their dependant relatives

 

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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 30 Oct 22 7.24pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

What happens in France is 100% whataboutism!

No-one is "exploiting" immigrant labour when it isn't available locally and it must be found to ensure your business survives.

Finding ways to increase the local pool from those who are better off not working at all, is something I would support 100%, but that needs time, investment, supervision and significant planning. It won't happen overnight and cannot solve today's problems.

With regard to your last paragraph I agree with the sentiments but if employers are allowed to recruit cheaper imported Labour why would they bother?

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 10.00pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Donít forget bringing in their dependant relatives

I'm not.

It would be interesting to know just how many there are.

It's usually children, but can be parents.

Two of my tenants are the elderly parents of a Polish guy who arrived here 15 years ago and now runs a successful building business, employing quite a big group. He keeps a close eye on them. Their rent is always paid on time and cause no trouble at all. Whether they draw benefits, pensions etc and if so where they originate from, is not known to me.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 30 Oct 22 10.05pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

With regard to your last paragraph I agree with the sentiments but if employers are allowed to recruit cheaper imported Labour why would they bother?

Right now they have no alternative. If and when we are able to improve the local pool then controls and quotas can be imposed.

 

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View mezzer's Profile mezzer Flag Main Stand, Block F, Row 20 seat 1... 31 Oct 22 10.30am Send a Private Message to mezzer Add mezzer as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I'm not.

It would be interesting to know just how many there are.

It's usually children, but can be parents.

Two of my tenants are the elderly parents of a Polish guy who arrived here 15 years ago and now runs a successful building business, employing quite a big group. He keeps a close eye on them. Their rent is always paid on time and cause no trouble at all. Whether they draw benefits, pensions etc and if so where they originate from, is not known to me.

This is one of the big unsolvables though WE.

I don't doubt for a second that they are all very nice people, I honestly don't. However, though it is nice that the son and his parents are providing you with a reliable and timely source of income from your buy to let properties, it is adding to the general shortage of housing stock that everyone appears to be screaming to address, as long as it is not addressed close to where they live themselves.

Your elderly tenants may or may not be receiving benefits, we don't know. However, one benefit they will receive as they get older is from the Health Service, which simply adds to the pressure it is already under. The last couple of times that I've actually attended my GP's surgery, I've been struck by the array of languages I have to choose from when checking in, and by the number of people who are sitting in the waiting room with relatives (presumably) acting as translator because they don't actually speak English themselves. Most of these relatives have young kids with them who will, presumably, soon be adding to the pressure on school places. And this is in well to do Hove, not some inner city environment.

I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps ask those who are benefitting financially from them via rent to pay a bit more tax on this income to help towards looking after their needs?

 


Living down here does have some advantages. At least you can see them cry.

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 31 Oct 22 8.17pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by mezzer

This is one of the big unsolvables though WE.

I don't doubt for a second that they are all very nice people, I honestly don't. However, though it is nice that the son and his parents are providing you with a reliable and timely source of income from your buy to let properties, it is adding to the general shortage of housing stock that everyone appears to be screaming to address, as long as it is not addressed close to where they live themselves.

Your elderly tenants may or may not be receiving benefits, we don't know. However, one benefit they will receive as they get older is from the Health Service, which simply adds to the pressure it is already under. The last couple of times that I've actually attended my GP's surgery, I've been struck by the array of languages I have to choose from when checking in, and by the number of people who are sitting in the waiting room with relatives (presumably) acting as translator because they don't actually speak English themselves. Most of these relatives have young kids with them who will, presumably, soon be adding to the pressure on school places. And this is in well to do Hove, not some inner city environment.

I don't know what the answer is. Perhaps ask those who are benefitting financially from them via rent to pay a bit more tax on this income to help towards looking after their needs?

That's the world we live in today and I don't think it's either wise or practical for us to try to isolate ourselves from it.

My tenant's son wants to look after his parents, but he has also made his life here and is contributing to our economy. His Dad actually does a simple job, gathering trolleys in a local supermarket. If his parents weren't allowed to live here I guess he would have to return to Poland.

We know there is a housing crisis. We are also short of people, judging by the difficulties employers have in filling vacancies. Who knows whether we will be able to get those currently subsisting on benefits to work, or how much more technology will contribute. Neither though solves the immediate problems.

I don't have a quick answer either. Getting a serious house building programme underway, and reforming the planning process would certainly help, but inevitably will take time.


 

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View Hrolf The Ganger's Profile Hrolf The Ganger Flag 01 Nov 22 5.44pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That's the world we live in today and I don't think it's either wise or practical for us to try to isolate ourselves from it.

My tenant's son wants to look after his parents, but he has also made his life here and is contributing to our economy. His Dad actually does a simple job, gathering trolleys in a local supermarket. If his parents weren't allowed to live here I guess he would have to return to Poland.

We know there is a housing crisis. We are also short of people, judging by the difficulties employers have in filling vacancies. Who knows whether we will be able to get those currently subsisting on benefits to work, or how much more technology will contribute. Neither though solves the immediate problems.

I don't have a quick answer either. Getting a serious house building programme underway, and reforming the planning process would certainly help, but inevitably will take time.


Thanks to the kind of idiocy that you subscribe to.

 

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 01 Nov 22 6.18pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Juergen Maier(former CE, Siemens UK)

"Brexit is costing food manufacturers 15 to 20% more to deal with the red tape... & there is a solution staring us in the face... rejoining the single market... "

Why did the UK leave the single market (Thatcher) and the customs union?

'Never mind the quality feel the width'

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 01 Nov 22 7.33pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Thanks to the kind of idiocy that you subscribe to.

Being able to recognise realities, and finding ways to adapt to change as a consequence, isn't idiocy.

What's idiotic is thinking that you can run anything, a country included, on inflexible, ideological beliefs.

Unless we hold all the strings worldwide, so we can make other countries dance to our tune, then pragmatism is the only realistic route forward.

!50 years ago we might have been holding many strings, but no longer.

Our world is changing fast. It impacts us as much as anyone. You might not enjoy what it brings, but you had better come to terms with it or your bitterness and resentment will taint the rest of your life. There is absolutely no reason why a changed life cannot still be an enjoyable one, so why not stop fighting battles that cannot be won, and start to enjoy what is, rather than dream of what cannot be.

 

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View Teddy Eagle's Profile Teddy Eagle Flag 01 Nov 22 7.36pm Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

Being able to recognise realities, and finding ways to adapt to change as a consequence, isn't idiocy.

What's idiotic is thinking that you can run anything, a country included, on inflexible, ideological beliefs.

Unless we hold all the strings worldwide, so we can make other countries dance to our tune, then pragmatism is the only realistic route forward.

!50 years ago we might have been holding many strings, but no longer.

Our world is changing fast. It impacts us as much as anyone. You might not enjoy what it brings, but you had better come to terms with it or your bitterness and resentment will taint the rest of your life. There is absolutely no reason why a changed life cannot still be an enjoyable one, so why not stop fighting battles that cannot be won, and start to enjoy what is, rather than dream of what cannot be.

There you go. Like Brexit. Let's crack on and make a go of it.

 

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