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View The Dolphin's Profile The Dolphin Flag 08 Nov 22 5.15pm Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle


An alternative viewpoint.

[Link]

How dare the left wing Guardian publish an article that doesn't slag off Brexit!
A good article as it happens

 

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View the silurian's Profile the silurian Flag The garden of England.(not really) 08 Nov 22 5.16pm Send a Private Message to the silurian Add the silurian as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't much care about being appreciated! It's not why I do it.

One voice is very unlikely to make much difference, other than to the views of a tiny number. Many voices might, but if they all remain silent, they won't.

I believe in democracy and in speaking up.

Except when it concerns Brexit?

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 08 Nov 22 5.31pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Except when it concerns Brexit?

Apparently democracy only exists when it's MPs....you see he only believes in the establishment's 'democracy', seemingly not the actual concept itself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Nov 2022 5.31pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Flag Croydon 08 Nov 22 6.13pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Larry Elliott from the Guardian is talking nonsense.

'After six years, the argument for Brexit remains what it always was: an opportunity to look at an under-performing economy in a new light and to do things differently. Whether that opportunity will be seized or squandered remains to be seen'.

The economy was better before brexit even with Osborne and recent events have shown the opposite, that the UK cannot just do as it wants without facing the consequences.

Carney is doubling up on his view that the fall of sterling was due to leaving and has not recovered since.

As always with brexit the leavers waffle on giving no facts in support as Elliott doesn't either.

The UK doesn't control its economy. it's borders or have any 'sovereignty' than before, it's a mess.


 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 09 Nov 22 2.56pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Just seen this. Spain is lobbying to change the 90 day rule for Britains.

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Currently EU citizens can spend 6 months in the UK but the EU being an ass as normal only offered us 90 days. Guess what Spain and Greece are feeling the pinch as it has hit their tourism.

It's not the most important issue in UK EU relations but hopefully they are starting to see sense and be a bit more pragmatic about this stuff.

 


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View Spiderman's Profile Spiderman Flag Horsham 09 Nov 22 3.15pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Just seen this. Spain is lobbying to change the 90 day rule for Britains.

[Link]

Currently EU citizens can spend 6 months in the UK but the EU being an ass as normal only offered us 90 days. Guess what Spain and Greece are feeling the pinch as it has hit their tourism.

It's not the most important issue in UK EU relations but hopefully they are starting to see sense and be a bit more pragmatic about this stuff.

All non-EU nationals have always been given 6 months as visitors to the UK whilst most other countries give 90 days. I always thought we were over generous.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 22 4.49pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by the silurian

Except when it concerns Brexit?

I don't know how often it needs to be said but Brexit only became democratic when Parliament triggered Article 50. The referendum vote was not democratic. It cannot be so in our Parliamentary system.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 22 4.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Apparently democracy only exists when it's MPs....you see he only believes in the establishment's 'democracy', seemingly not the actual concept itself.

Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Nov 2022 5.31pm)

I don't believe in the establishment's anything. I believe in our Parliamentary democracy. One in which referendums have no democratic legitimacy.

You are free to campaign to change that fact, and with others vote in a Parliament who agrees to change it. Until then it's what we have, whether you agree with it, or like it.

 

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View Wisbech Eagle's Profile Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 09 Nov 22 4.59pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Larry Elliott from the Guardian is talking nonsense.

'After six years, the argument for Brexit remains what it always was: an opportunity to look at an under-performing economy in a new light and to do things differently. Whether that opportunity will be seized or squandered remains to be seen'.

The economy was better before brexit even with Osborne and recent events have shown the opposite, that the UK cannot just do as it wants without facing the consequences.

Carney is doubling up on his view that the fall of sterling was due to leaving and has not recovered since.

As always with brexit the leavers waffle on giving no facts in support as Elliott doesn't either.

The UK doesn't control its economy. it's borders or have any 'sovereignty' than before, it's a mess.


But it will be better tomorrow, or next week, or in 50 years, and anyway the pandemic and the war have put clouds in the way of our golden dawn.

So it's not fair. It was my turn to play outside but someone stole the ball, and then it rained. They're being horrid Mummy.

 

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View Stirlingsays's Profile Stirlingsays Online Flag 09 Nov 22 5.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

But it will be better tomorrow, or next week, or in 50 years, and anyway the pandemic and the war have put clouds in the way of our golden dawn.

So it's not fair. It was my turn to play outside but someone stole the ball, and then it rained. They're being horrid Mummy.

50 years ago it was people like you who were saying that immigration would improve this country and that people would integrate into our way of life.

So I regard your sarcasm rather ironically.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Nov 2022 6.04pm)

 


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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I don't believe in the establishment's anything. I believe in our Parliamentary democracy. One in which referendums have no democratic legitimacy.

You are free to campaign to change that fact, and with others vote in a Parliament who agrees to change it. Until then it's what we have, whether you agree with it, or like it.

A distinction without a difference.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Nov 2022 6.01pm)

 


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Originally posted by Stirlingsays

50 years ago it was people like you who were saying that immigration would improve this country and that people would integrate into our way of life.

So I regard your sarcasm rather ironically.

Edited by Stirlingsays (09 Nov 2022 6.04pm)

I donít think said integration included wanting to blow us up.

 

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