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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Jan 23 1.08am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

There are big questions about the future of the British electric car industry.

In January 2022 Boris Johnson hailed the “EV battery pioneer” for planning to create “thousands of jobs”. Less than a year later, Johnson is out of Downing Street, Britishvolt is bankrupt, and the future of the UK car industry is under serious threat.

The most likely outcome?

They will have to be made and imported, from the EU with obvious price and competitiveness problems.

The sky is falling in for the UK car industry unless a rapid effective solution can be found.

Investors into a UK project do not any longer, have access to the EU single market.

The industry worldwide is failing. There just isn’t enough raw materials to complete the dream utopian carbon free market. Let alone the effect the disposal of used, worn out batteries will have on the environment, alongside the fact that it will never allow a second hand car market as changing the batteries, if available is yet more 1000s of pounds as well as no warranties after 3-4 years. Total cluster f u c k of an idea with no thought from minute one.

 

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View HKOwen's Profile HKOwen Flag Hong Kong 22 Jan 23 3.46am Send a Private Message to HKOwen Add HKOwen as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

There are big questions about the future of the British electric car industry.

In January 2022 Boris Johnson hailed the “EV battery pioneer” for planning to create “thousands of jobs”. Less than a year later, Johnson is out of Downing Street, Britishvolt is bankrupt, and the future of the UK car industry is under serious threat.

The most likely outcome?

They will have to be made and imported, from the EU with obvious price and competitiveness problems.

The sky is falling in for the UK car industry unless a rapid effective solution can be found.

Investors into a UK project do not any longer, have access to the EU single market.

Falling sky looks like this apparently

Nissan's vast carmaking plant at Sunderland will be at the centre of a £13 billion investment in developing electric vehicles. The Japanese carmaker said yesterday that its British factory “would take the lead towards electrification” as it announced investment that will help to develop 23 new electric models by 2030

 


Responsibility Deficit Disorder is a medical condition. Symptoms include inability to be corrected when wrong, false sense of superiority, desire to share personal info no else cares about, general hubris. It's a medical issue rather than pure arrogance.

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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 22 Jan 23 6.47pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Ministers have been accused of leaving a “record of failure and broken promises” as internal forecasts show Britain will be 15 years late in achieving its £1tn annual export target after being hit by Brexit.

Projections from the Department for International Trade (DIT) show the value of UK exports will not reach £1tn until 2035, based on current trends, with the total due to fall to £707bn next year.

The deferral underlines how difficult British ministers have found it to meet the lofty predictions Brexiters made about international trade after leaving the EU.

Remarkable, how will the politicians and leavers avoid this one.

 

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View cryrst's Profile cryrst Flag The garden of England 22 Jan 23 6.53pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

Ministers have been accused of leaving a “record of failure and broken promises” as internal forecasts show Britain will be 15 years late in achieving its £1tn annual export target after being hit by Brexit.

Projections from the Department for International Trade (DIT) show the value of UK exports will not reach £1tn until 2035, based on current trends, with the total due to fall to £707bn next year.

The deferral underlines how difficult British ministers have found it to meet the lofty predictions Brexiters made about international trade after leaving the EU.

Remarkable, how will the politicians and leavers avoid this one.

Projections eh. A bit like forecasts, which are wrong about inflation so could be wrong on this you think! £707 billion in exports, is that bad then ?

 

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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 23 Jan 23 10.27am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

An amazing overlap between people who have utterly bought the forecast that public sector pay rises will cause spiralling inflation, and those that apparently don't believe in inflation forecasts.

Think what you're told to.

 

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View Matov's Profile Matov Flag 23 Jan 23 11.33am Send a Private Message to Matov Add Matov as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

An amazing overlap between people who have utterly bought the forecast that public sector pay rises will cause spiralling inflation, and those that apparently don't believe in inflation forecasts.

Think what you're told to.


It is a valid point. Issue as I (kind) of see it is that inflation at the moment is essentially artificial on one level. Driven by factors that don't necessarily reflect the wider underlying financial picture. So Covid, the current FUBAR that is this Ukraine/Russian conflict, driving economic markers that should (and here I am willing to concede I am being more positive than I should) worked through in 24 months. Whereas huge increases in public sector wages last forever. And as my understanding of it is in that about 24 months we could actually have inflation down to under 1% with possible deflation worries.

Now I am sure people can pick all kinds of holes in this, and am not 100% convinced of the general gist of it myself but suspect that this is a general basis for an argument against large public sector pay increases. Effectively you are loading the bill up for further down the line when circumstances might mean it is far too high to justify.

 


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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jan 23 8.12am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

More Brexit nonsense unchallenged by the media as usual and not just the BBC. Eurostar carrying 30% fewer passengers.

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So the fall in passengers it's all Brexit's fault according to the CEO nothing to do with the multiple train strikes and frequent breakdowns on the service or the lack of staff or the financial losses. No it's Brexit all day every day.

I have several friends who use the service regularly they actually prefer it as they can arrive later and check in easier that at an airport so the idea that having your passport stamped discourages passengers is nonsense. What discourages people is all the stuff I mentioned above e.g. reliability.

Why on earth do the media just accept this stuff unchallenged Eurostar has had financial problems for years.

Shoddy journalism.

 


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View EverybodyDannsNow's Profile EverybodyDannsNow Flag SE19 25 Jan 23 11.44am Send a Private Message to EverybodyDannsNow Add EverybodyDannsNow as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

More Brexit nonsense unchallenged by the media as usual and not just the BBC. Eurostar carrying 30% fewer passengers.

[Link]

So the fall in passengers it's all Brexit's fault according to the CEO nothing to do with the multiple train strikes and frequent breakdowns on the service or the lack of staff or the financial losses. No it's Brexit all day every day.

I have several friends who use the service regularly they actually prefer it as they can arrive later and check in easier that at an airport so the idea that having your passport stamped discourages passengers is nonsense. What discourages people is all the stuff I mentioned above e.g. reliability.

Why on earth do the media just accept this stuff unchallenged Eurostar has had financial problems for years.

Shoddy journalism.

""The thing is now we are not able to run the same transport offer as what we had before in 2019, because of bottlenecks in stations," she said.

"We have a main issue in Eurostar terminals because of the new boarding conditions between the UK and EU, because of the impact of Covid, because of staff in the stations.""


I think you're being a little paranoid.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jan 23 2.11pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow

""The thing is now we are not able to run the same transport offer as what we had before in 2019, because of bottlenecks in stations," she said.

"We have a main issue in Eurostar terminals because of the new boarding conditions between the UK and EU, because of the impact of Covid, because of staff in the stations.""


I think you're being a little paranoid.

Bottlenecks are due to lack of staff because the company is a financial basket case. Responsible journalists should be asking the CEO about this rather than the knee jerk Brexit.

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 25 Jan 23 2.35pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Bottlenecks are due to lack of staff because the company is a financial basket case. Responsible journalists should be asking the CEO about this rather than the knee jerk Brexit.

30% fewer passengers due to brexit problems.

People, whether here or in the EU are simply not going to bother with all the bureaucracy and general hassle.

Like everything brexit, why bother when you have seamless travel and trade with 26 other countries.

We didn't have any of this just a couple of years ago, now we are moving into bregret mode we will find the hard brexit almost impossible to reverse.

 

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View Badger11's Profile Badger11 Flag Beckenham 25 Jan 23 2.44pm Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

30% fewer passengers due to brexit problems.

People, whether here or in the EU are simply not going to bother with all the bureaucracy and general hassle.

Like everything brexit, why bother when you have seamless travel and trade with 26 other countries.

We didn't have any of this just a couple of years ago, now we are moving into bregret mode we will find the hard brexit almost impossible to reverse.

Sorry Steeleye I don't accept that.

I have friends who use the eurostar because they say it is easier than all the problems flying. Of course the train strikes and frequent breakdown might have something to do with it.

If you want a romantic weekend in Paris Brexit will not stop you and the tour operators are swamped at the moment most of the media have been reporting significant volume since Christmas despite the cost of living crisis.

The Eurostar CEO is trying to deflect attention away from the poor performance of the company. During COVID they get begging the government to bail them out luckily we told them they are a French company so go knock on their door.

I except lack of staff at the borders is an issue but this applied across the world not just the UK and the Eurozone.

I have traveled to Europe quite a bit since Brexit the only hassel was the COVID forms which have now gone.

Later this year they will introduce their version of ESTA and no doubt there will be teething problem but this is travel these days.

I am off to Jordan soon and you have to do pre flight forms this is becoming the norm across the world.

Edited by Badger11 (25 Jan 2023 2.48pm)

 


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View steeleye20's Profile steeleye20 Online Flag Croydon 26 Jan 23 6.40pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

Falling sky looks like this apparently

Nissan's vast carmaking plant at Sunderland will be at the centre of a £13 billion investment in developing electric vehicles. The Japanese carmaker said yesterday that its British factory “would take the lead towards electrification” as it announced investment that will help to develop 23 new electric models by 2030

Nissan now in top spot in the UK after a dreadful year for UK car production, and they have the UKs only electric battery plant, although chinese owned, on their doorstep.

Nissan was brought to the UK by Mrs. Thatcher and her single market EU commissioner Lord Cockfield.

Owned by Nissan Europe it has been a total success in an area of mass unemployment, and a background of industrial strife.


 

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