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steeleye20 Croydon 12 Feb 21 5.37pm
Originally posted by cryrst The whole world apart from china has shrunken economies. Whatever % may differ but it's a fact and a prorata situation. According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing. Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise.
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steeleye20

Croydon 12 Feb 21 5.37pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The whole world apart from china has shrunken economies. Whatever % may differ but it's a fact and a prorata situation.

According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing.

Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise.

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Matov 12 Feb 21 6.25pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing. Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise. Brexit offers the UK far more flexibility in how it reacts, as we have already seen evidenced. I agree that it presents challenges but being outside the EU will offer us far more flexibility in terms of how we react that if were still in bondage to it. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

12 Feb 21 6.25pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing.

Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise.

Brexit offers the UK far more flexibility in how it reacts, as we have already seen evidenced. I agree that it presents challenges but being outside the EU will offer us far more flexibility in terms of how we react that if were still in bondage to it.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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cryrst The garden of England 12 Feb 21 6.39pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing. Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise. When you owe 2 trillion a few billion hardly matters. As long as you can service the debt.
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cryrst

The garden of England 12 Feb 21 6.39pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

According to the Independent today brexit will wipe 45 billions this year alone, there really is no alternative for the UK but massive borrowing.

Brexit is additional to the pandemic economic woes other countries will suffer, it is entirely self-inflicted and only a misguided fool would think otherwise.

When you owe 2 trillion a few billion hardly matters. As long as you can service the debt.

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Spiderman Horsham 12 Feb 21 6.48pm
Originally posted by cryrst The whole world apart from china has shrunken economies. Whatever % may differ but it's a fact and a prorata situation. And there are posters on here who refuse to blame the Chinese for the pandemic! Unbelievable
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Spiderman

Horsham 12 Feb 21 6.48pm

Originally posted by cryrst

The whole world apart from china has shrunken economies. Whatever % may differ but it's a fact and a prorata situation.

And there are posters on here who refuse to blame the Chinese for the pandemic! Unbelievable

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Feb 21 9.53am
[Link] All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently
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Horsham 13 Feb 21 9.53am

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All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently

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dynamicdick Dormansland 13 Feb 21 10.12am
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start. Bring back Brolin
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dynamicdick

Dormansland 13 Feb 21 10.12am

Originally posted by Spiderman

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All not well in the Garden of Eden! Still no benefits being seen by having left, apparently

Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start.

Bring back Brolin

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Spiderman Horsham 13 Feb 21 11.27am
Originally posted by dynamicdick Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start. Indeed
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Spiderman

Horsham 13 Feb 21 11.27am

Originally posted by dynamicdick

Early days but 14 million vaccines given to date is a start.

Indeed

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Matov 13 Feb 21 1.25pm
The vaccination programme is great but it is going to make our problems with the EU even worse. Bumpy few months ahead. Gove needs to step up to the plate. Prove his credentials now as a war-time Consigliere. This s*** with the EU is about to get very, very dirty. Been reading around the edges of all of this and it is clear that Europe is in a lot of trouble at the moment. Starting a trade war with the UK, before the deal is even ratified, is a textbook approach to diverting attention from internal woes. Interesting to see what is going on in Italy at the moment. Still not quite understanding why Salvani has U-turned and backed Draghi to form the new government. Wheels within wheels me thinks. Still could also be a sign of a political maturity. "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.
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Matov

13 Feb 21 1.25pm

The vaccination programme is great but it is going to make our problems with the EU even worse. Bumpy few months ahead. Gove needs to step up to the plate. Prove his credentials now as a war-time Consigliere.

This s*** with the EU is about to get very, very dirty. Been reading around the edges of all of this and it is clear that Europe is in a lot of trouble at the moment. Starting a trade war with the UK, before the deal is even ratified, is a textbook approach to diverting attention from internal woes.

Interesting to see what is going on in Italy at the moment. Still not quite understanding why Salvani has U-turned and backed Draghi to form the new government.

Wheels within wheels me thinks. Still could also be a sign of a political maturity.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

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Spiderman Horsham 14 Feb 21 9.48am
[Link] Very good article
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Horsham 14 Feb 21 9.48am

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Very good article

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Badger11 Beckenham 14 Feb 21 10.25am
Originally posted by Spiderman [Link] Very good article Agreed, quite a sensible view of the difficulties the organisation faces. For some states, and I include former member the UK, the commission is a convenient pinata to blame everything on. But it doesn't help itself by it's recent actions and not just article 16. They caved in to Hungary about the EU funding now regardless of what you think of the Oban government they bottled it. Then again those supporters of the EU constantly derided Brexiteers claim that the EU overrides national sovereignty / interests and yet that is exactly what the Commission did by enacting article 16 without even bothering to make a courtesy call to the ROI government. I am amazed that the people of the country did not make more of a fuss over that. Anyway own goal for the EU and A big I told you so for those opposed to the EU. As the for the EU Parliament well as always it just gets ignored. I suspect that when the dust settles on the current issues France and Germany will propose further reforms which will actually mean further centralisation of power to the Eurocrats. Edited by Badger11 (14 Feb 2021 10.27am) One more point
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Badger11

Beckenham 14 Feb 21 10.25am

Originally posted by Spiderman

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Very good article

Agreed, quite a sensible view of the difficulties the organisation faces.

For some states, and I include former member the UK, the commission is a convenient pinata to blame everything on. But it doesn't help itself by it's recent actions and not just article 16. They caved in to Hungary about the EU funding now regardless of what you think of the Oban government they bottled it.

Then again those supporters of the EU constantly derided Brexiteers claim that the EU overrides national sovereignty / interests and yet that is exactly what the Commission did by enacting article 16 without even bothering to make a courtesy call to the ROI government. I am amazed that the people of the country did not make more of a fuss over that. Anyway own goal for the EU and A big I told you so for those opposed to the EU.

As the for the EU Parliament well as always it just gets ignored.

I suspect that when the dust settles on the current issues France and Germany will propose further reforms which will actually mean further centralisation of power to the Eurocrats.

Edited by Badger11 (14 Feb 2021 10.27am)

One more point

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steeleye20 Croydon 14 Feb 21 11.37am
Brexit: as half its sales are wiped out, silk firm joins exodus to Europe. Fashion company boss says only way for many firms to survive as costs soar is to open bases in France, costing vital UK jobs. This is the reality of brexit, our jobs being exported to the EU so they can trade competitively. The only real, not fantasy 'Liz Truss' trade deal that the UK actually has, is this one with the EU. And it is an economic and political disaster for us. Edited by steeleye20 (14 Feb 2021 11.38am)
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steeleye20

Croydon 14 Feb 21 11.37am

Brexit: as half its sales are wiped out, silk firm joins exodus to Europe.

Fashion company boss says only way for many firms to survive as costs soar is to open bases in France, costing vital UK jobs.

This is the reality of brexit, our jobs being exported to the EU so they can trade competitively.

The only real, not fantasy 'Liz Truss' trade deal that the UK actually has, is this one with the EU.

And it is an economic and political disaster for us.

Edited by steeleye20 (14 Feb 2021 11.38am)

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